Why Obamacare is a Failure

@Finn dAbuzz,

I don't need to edit anything - I'll stand on the original version of the statement that if they aren't operatives they should be.
This statement can also stand alone - that they seem to me to be getting some of their information directly from right wing sources.
And I'll add that it's a strange state of affairs when two professed liberals, supposedly in support of the most liberal candidate to come around in years, find the fodder to carry them into their battles - at right wing sources.

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@maporsche,

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it has to do with voters.

Votes in congress.

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@maxdancona,

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2. Obamacare has failed to lower, or even stabilize, costs.

The insurance companies and drug companies made sure that the medical costs wouldent go down as a condition of having universal care through their paid for congressmen.

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@snood,

I have already agreed that they are both republican operatives. A real democratic would point out the weaknesses of the party but also its strong points and there are many. But not to Edgar or Lash. I remember Lashes attacks during Obamas run and she isent much different now.

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@RABEL222,

But Finn says that's preposterous. Gotta be if Finn says it, right?

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@RABEL222,

You are incorrect. I had more positive to say about Obama than negative during his candidacy, he just wound up to be as dishonest as most politicians. A disappointment, as most of the headlines say.

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@RABEL222,

...and their paid-for president.

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@Miller,

Miller wrote:

Average salaries for American MDs, practicing primary care is in the ball park of about $220,000/year ( depending upon where you get the stats). For the UK, MDs practicing primary care medicine, under the single payer Gov regulated program, the salary is of the order of $170,000.

This is one reason why American MDs are against the Gov-single payer system and it's also why many, many MDs will not take insurance, medicare ,or medicaid payments ( These payments are too low).

I know a couple of MDs who are pretty miserable, because that $220K/year paycheck comes at the price of 80-hour work weeks. A lot of that goes to pay for after-school care and nannies for their kids.

How many hours a week do UK doctors work?

One of my doctor friends was complaining about this, and I realized that I make more per hour than she does. I could consult on the side, and make similar money, but I like having time to read, exercise, and be with my family.

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@snood,

I don't know where they get their information. Do you? I simply agreed it wasn't absurd to suggest they might.

If you want to double down on an absurd comment, be my guest. You've probably already burned whatever bridges existed between you and them, and all because you believe they have betrayed your tribe.

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@revelette2,

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I do however have a question. What would happen to all the insurance companies and their employees if we suddenly had single payer health care. Wouldn't that decimate the economy putting an awful lot of employees and those who own the businesses out of a job?

They would need to be absorbed into the gigantic Government "Super Medicare" system that a single payer system would become. The good part is all the executives would be out of jobs (savings MILLIONS) and State Insurance departments would be reduced.

The bad news is that with this governments track record of managing healthcare, not sure how efficient it would be.

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@snood,

Nope!!

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@izzythepush,

I was only talking about public spending, not private spending on healthcare (where the US clearly spends more than anyone).

I do not have the figures handy, but I was quoting from research I did a few years ago to the effect that the US, through Medicare and Medicaid alone, already spends roughly the same amount per capita as Japan does for public healthcare.

Now Japanese are a lot healthier than Americans, on average, so it would not be immediately possible to do the same but the point is that we already spend the same as countries like Japan per capita and they get full public healthcare out of the deal.

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@Robert Gentel,

You spend more per capita on public health too. It's what happens when you think market forces can fix everything. The cost of drugs alone in America knocks up your costs, and super inflated wages for doctors only helps those who went into medicine for the money.

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Aetna’s Obamacare Reversal Is Latest Blow to U.S. Health Law
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-02/aetna-s-obamacare-reversal-is-latest-blow-to-u-s-health-law

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@Lash,

I haven't gone to have a physical in 2 years because the out of pocket for the labs went from $30 to $140, and I'm still waiting to save $2500 a year.

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@izzythepush,

You are correct. Here's the average wage for doctors. My nephew who is a doctor (critical care) in Hawaii earns a lot more.
Average Salary for People with Jobs as Physicians / Doctors
Job National Salary Data
Physician / Doctor, Internal Medicine 1148 salaries $178,168
Physician / Doctor, General Practice 725 salaries $137,669
Physician / Doctor, Emergency Room (ER) 575 salaries $210,391
Physician / Doctor, Radiologist 503 salaries $290,792

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

I have already agreed that they are both republican operatives. A real democratic would point out the weaknesses of the party but also its strong points and there are many. But not to Edgar or Lash. I remember Lashes attacks during Obamas run and she isent much different now.

Sorry if the truth hurts so bad you have to malign the messenger.

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@izzythepush,

I'm late to the thread and have been skimming, so sorry if it's been covered, but is healthcare politicized there the way that it is here in the US?

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@thack45,

From my observation, most countries have universal health care.

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