Chris Matthews Destroys Swiftboat Liar John O'Neil

kickycan wrote:

Karzak wrote:
Bush actually showed leadership.

The same could be said about David Koresh.

jim jones?

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Re: swift boat vets for bush?

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Karzak wrote:
Well, unlike Kerrys nam lies, Bush actually showed leadership after 9/11.

and unlike bush's iraq "bad intelligence" (lol), kerry actually showed up for vietnam.

like someone else mentioned before, "were you there?". if not, you DO NOT KNOW the truth. and either do i. however, this stuff certainly resembles the karl rove method of abortion.

You mean kerrys bad intelligence? besides kerry supports the war in iraq.

And I wasn't there, but 250 people who were call kerry a liar, and 2 say kerry is a actually a good man.

Hell, I can probably find more testomonies that hitler was a saint that I can about kerry (borrowing from the kerry camp hitler tactic there).

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

kickycan wrote:
Karzak wrote:
Bush actually showed leadership.

The same could be said about David Koresh.

jim jones?

Him too.

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LOL, given what the swiftboat veterans have revealed about kerrys character, those two would probably be better choices than kerry.

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Re: swift boat vets for bush?

Karzak wrote:

You mean kerrys bad intelligence? besides kerry supports the war in iraq.

no. i mean bush's bad intelligence. who do you think got it first? kerry or bush?

by the way, kerry did not vote to go to war. he authorized the president to use force. with the expectation that anyone with any sense would do everything possible to avoid a shooting war. like most of us, kerry realizes that we must put some kind of responsible finish to the iraq business. as powell said," you break it you own it".

thanks boss. always wanted a timeshare in a crap neighborhood with gangsters for neighbors.

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Karzak wrote:

LOL, given what the swiftboat veterans have revealed about kerrys character, those two would probably be better choices than kerry.

again, what swifties "say" , not prove. there's difference.

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"During the years of 1969 down to 1973, we have the rise of fragging - that is, shooting or hand-grenading your NCO or your officer who orders you out into the field," says historian Terry Anderson of Texas A & M University. "The US Army itself does not know exactly how many...officers were murdered. But they know at least 600 were murdered, and then they have another 1400 that died mysteriously. Consequently by early 1970, the army [was] at war not with the enemy but with itself." Seems as though the war continues between the one's who say there was a war and the ones who say there wasn't.

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Karzak wrote:

The swiftboat vets have the overwhelming (and I mean overwhelming as in 250 to 2) number of eyewitnesses to kerrys nam actions on their side.

If it isn't true how come the only people standing behind kerry are he ones who will lose face if the truth comes out?

Really, all 250 of them witnessed his actions while only 2 out of his whole crew actually saw his actions? I'm having a hard time imagining how that could be. And how will the ones standing behind Kerry lose face?

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Re: swift boat vets for bush?

Karzak wrote:

it is now up to [Kerry] to prove the rest isn't a lie as well, with some 250 vets that served with him in nam saying Kerry is unfit for command and two vets saying he is.

Karzak wrote:

And I wasn't there, but 250 people who were call kerry a liar, and 2 say kerry is a actually a good man.

Where do you get this "two vets" from, Karzak? Two men, are you kidding, have you actually read up on this? Apart from Steve Gardner, every single one of the vets who served with Kerry on his boats now praise his heroic actions and commend him for the presidency. Thats nine men. Check this post for what six of them had to say and this and this one for the names and google links for all of 'em.

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Welcome to A2K by the way, DontTreadOnMe. I'm gonna quote one of your first posts on this thread on the thread where I previously posted a load of info on Kerry's various swiftboat crewmen earlier.

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Whoa there, Nederlander!

Kadzooks doesn't click on links, or read anything that challenges his thinking.

Everything he needs to know he learned in kindergarten (or from Rush Limbaugh). :wink:

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Vietnam
What is so interesting about this debate is that most of those people John O'Neil is quoting were not in the same boat as Kerry. John O'Neil himself is heard and quoted as say to Nixon that he was in Cambodia. More interesting that that John O'Neil's biggest witness Thwarp, his record indicates that there was enemy fire for his own medal, same day, same place.

One more thing, who can deny that there were no atrocities in Vietnam. Look at My Lai.

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Welcome to A2K, kskhazana!

You don't have to be on the same boat to know if there was enemy fire or not, and also Kerry stated that one time a mine went off under one of the boats and the pet dog aboard actually got knock into the air and landed in another boat.

If that is true the boats were at times very close together.

Another example is, if I were standing on a street corner and witnessed a car accident does it mean I couldn't testify to the accident because I wasn't in the car?

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Brand X wrote:

Another example is, if I were standing on a street corner and witnessed a car accident does it mean I couldn't testify to the accident because I wasn't in the car?

It means you could only testify to your own perspective -- meaning you might not have seen the dog that was in the road in front of the car if you witnessed the accident from behind.

This thing has been about beat to death -- there's nothing to see here.

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FreeDuck wrote:

Brand X wrote:
Another example is, if I were standing on a street corner and witnessed a car accident does it mean I couldn't testify to the accident because I wasn't in the car?

It means you could only testify to your own perspective -- meaning you might not have seen the dog that was in the road in front of the car if you witnessed the accident from behind.

This thing has been about beat to death -- there's nothing to see here.

I agree with you that if ten people witness a car accident you are likely to get ten different accounts of it.

My point is the 'because they weren't on his boat' argument is weak.

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The whole swiftboat liars argumentt is weak and people are sick of it. Aftter all is said and done the overwhelming majority of Americans still believe Kerry earned his medals. Those who don't were a lost cause anyway.

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Quote:

Navy Report Backs Kerry Role in Incident

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Navy task force overseeing John Kerry's swift boat squadron in Vietnam reported that his group of boats came under enemy fire during a March 13, 1969, incident that three decades later is being challenged by the Democratic presidential nominee's critics.

The March 18, 1969, weekly report from Task Force 115, which was located by The Associated Press during a search of Navy archives, is the latest document to surface that supports Kerry's description of an event for which he won a Bronze Star and a third Purple Heart.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Kerry-Vietnam-Records.html

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imho, the swift boat story has peaked. the swiftys have run out of bombs. unless they make up a few more.

enough of their assertions have been proven, umm, inaccurate, to at least start the drain on their credibility.

as we say around here, "the pilot run tanked. the series is cancelled".

r.i.p.

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From Kerry today:

Quote:

Kerry defended that record at a fund-raiser Tuesday in Philadelphia, saying criticism of his decorated service in Vietnam has "become so petty it's almost pathetic in a way."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Cycloptichorn

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

imho, the swift boat story has peaked. the swiftys have run out of bombs.

Have I told ya yet how glad I am you showed up here? You've posted some great stuff.

Meanwhile, I'm a little pessimistic about yer prediction here ... The next SVFT ad, after all, is about Kerry's anti-war actions from after he'd gotten home. And thats a time about which even the most avid Democratic Convention watcher will not yet have heard much at all about ...

Kerry's spent a lot of time putting his Vietnam story out, so in a sense the SVFT have had to push hard on that one to try to discredit it again. But on his anti-war actions, Kerry hasnt put out hardly anything at all yet. Basically tried to bury it. So there's no defence line already installed in public perception there. The SVFT will basically have a free run defining this time in Kerry's past. And its a line of attack thats potentially much more likely to hit home with those white male swing voters Kerry's been trying to woo so effortfully with military symbolism - definitely the vet vote.

The only hope is that by the time the discussion on the SVFT charges on Kerry's supposed lack of heroism in Vietnam (a pretty hard sell at first sight) has raged on another while, everone and the media in particular will have had enough of the SVFT period, and label 'em old news whatever new ad they put out. In that sense perhaps this current debate might even strategically be a good thing, despite the poll losses Kerry's running up for the moment ...

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