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The Supreme Court vacancy, a minefield for Republicans

 
 
spooky24
 
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Reply Mon 7 Mar, 2016 09:43 am
@parados,
There is not one word in there about how the Secretary of state and her lying to family's and sending an e-mail(over her private server) 2 minutes after she told the families that they were killed by a (made up on the spot)lie by a reaction of some nonexistent video. She told her that they were 'trying to frame a response' of a terrorist attack-that was unacceptable in Washington because President Obama had declared he had conquered terrorism.
There is absolute irrefutable evidence(the emails) that she did this. And irrefutable evidence that all 9 survivors of those killed that she lied to them.
The Secretary claimed the Benghazi attack was part of protests about a video mocking Islam and depicting the prophet Mohammad. There was no mob scene or protest in Benghazi that day at all.

A huge lie she has never admitted to although I have a feeling that she will after the ads come out-what else can she do?

"Speaking at a House hearing about a year later, Patrica Smith expanded on that, saying that Clinton, President Barack Obama, Rice and others, all individually told her the attack stemmed from the video. Of course she said this under oath.

"She lies. Very simple. She is not telling the truth," Smith said during an interview with CNN".

20 times a day for 5 months starting after the conventions.

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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 11:58 am
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/12/11206662/obama-scalia-srinivasan-garland-watford

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President Obama's Supreme Court shortlist has leaked. Here are the 6 contenders.


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Almost a month after the passing of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, President Obama's shortlist of potential nominees to replace him appears to be taking shape. Looking at lists from the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Associated Press, and NPR's Nina Totenberg, six candidates keep appearing:

Merrick Garland, US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit
Ketanji Brown Jackson, US District Court for DC
Jane Kelly, US Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit
Patricia Millett, US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit
Sri Srinivasan, US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit
Paul Watford, US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit

Reuters has reported that the list is even smaller: just Garland, Srinivasan, and Watford. Other options previously floated — like Attorney General Loretta Lynch, US Sen. Amy Klobuchar, and Adalberto Jordan of the Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit — have either taken themselves out of contention or confirmed they're not being considered.

Here's what you need to know about the final list — their strengths, their flaws, and why Obama would and would not want to pick them — in subjective order of how much buzz they're picking up. Be sure to also read Ian Millhiser at ThinkProgress, who has useful details on all six.


interesting read with good links
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 09:09 am
@ehBeth,
#1 from the short list

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35823234

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Merrick Garland to be Obama's Supreme Court nominee


http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/president-obamas-sensible-supreme-court-choice
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 12:34 pm
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/16/11246118/merrick-garland-age-how-old-supreme-court-nominee

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Merrick Garland is older than any Supreme Court nominee since 1971. Here's why it matters.


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So why would Obama make the choice to nominate a man who is considerably older and therefore able to serve on the Court for a more limited number of years?

There are a couple of possible explanations. The first is that Obama might very well believe Garland won’t be confirmed, in which case it makes sense to use an older, distinguished judge as a sacrificial lamb and allow his successor to elevate a younger nominee next year.

That is probably part of the calculus. But there’s a second, more interesting explanation that illuminates President Obama’s strategic thinking.

It is, simply put, that Garland’s age, like his moderate record, is yet another compromise.

Rick Hasen gets at the idea on his Election Law Blog: "I have suggested (in the last chapter of Plutocrats United) that one way to compromise on SCOTUS nominees is an 18-year term limit," he writes. "Appointing someone who is 63 moves in that direction. It gives the President a win, but one which as a matter of probability and actuary tables won’t be on the Court as long."

President Obama could have chosen a young nominee, one who could have shifted the ideological center of the Court to the left for years, perhaps decades to come. Instead, he has chosen someone who will necessarily curtail his own influence on the Court. It is yet another sign that Obama is really looking to find a compromise candidate that Republicans would find palatable, rather than playing to his Democratic base.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 12:38 pm
@ehBeth,
McConnell doubles down

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/obama-supreme-court-nominee/473784/

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With the stakes so high, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his Republican colleagues vowed within hours after Scalia’s death to not confirm any Supreme Court nominees until after the election. That unprecedented position quickly turned into a broad refusal to hold hearings on the nominee or even meet the person.

Garland's selection did not seem to shake that position.

“It seems President Obama nominated Garland not with the intent of seeing him confirmed, but in order to politicize it for the purpose of the election,” McConnell claimed on the Senate floor shortly after the announcement.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 02:08 pm
@ehBeth,
That's funny coming from McConnell. "Politicize it for the purpose of the election?" ROFLAMO
When stupid politicians can't see themselves doing the same thing, it's a very sad moment in our political history.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 09:34 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
McConnell doubles down

The Republicans are already resolved to wait and let President Trump choose the nominee. That Mr. Obama nominated an extremist who hates the Second Amendment will only strengthen that resolve.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 10:40 pm
At first I was PO'ed about the republican decision to not judge any candidate for the S.C.. But if a democrat is elected we could have a liberal court. That would make me very happy.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 10:41 pm
@RABEL222,
That's the best irony if it works out that way. They shot their own foot.
I'm going to also predict that a democrat is going to win the presidency. Trump has too many negatives, even for republicans.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 08:07 am
We're already seeing the way that McConnell intends the situation to play out.

Garland won't get any hearings until the election is over. Then, after Clinton has been elected, the Republicans in the senate (including lame ducks like Mark Kirk of Illinois) will decide that it's now a good time to hold hearings on Garland - not because they have discovered a new-found sense of fairness, but because they correctly fear that Clinton will present them with an even worse choice. Obama, at that point, should withdraw Garland's nomination, but he won't, because he's just enough of an egotist to want to make a final mark on history, and also because he's the eternal compromiser, and this will be his last chance as Charlie Brown to kick the football that GOP Lucy has been holding for eight years. So the nation ends up saddled with a centrist in a crucial position when what it really needs is a leftist. But then that pretty much will be the case with the presidency as well.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 10:09 am
@oralloy,
I don't think any Republicans is dumb enough to ever say the phrase "Let Trump Choose" (although I could be wrong).

Do we see the #lettrumpchoose hashtag trending yet?

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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:03 pm
@joefromchicago,
But the Republicans could also lose the Senate. At 538.com, they had an article about this and believe that if Clinton wins the White House, her coat tails will take the Senate as well. Then Obama and Clinton decide what to do with Garland. I think Obama will keep the Garland nomination, not because he is "just enough of an egotist", but because he probably promised Garland that he would stand behind his nomination.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:42 pm
@engineer,
there's also a decent chance that there will be opportunities to replace 2 more within the next 4/8 years. Enough of those coat-tail changes and <boom> the whole game changes.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:15 pm
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
We're already seeing the way that McConnell intends the situation to play out.

Garland won't get any hearings until the election is over. Then, after Clinton has been elected, the Republicans in the senate (including lame ducks like Mark Kirk of Illinois) will decide that it's now a good time to hold hearings on Garland - not because they have discovered a new-found sense of fairness, but because they correctly fear that Clinton will present them with an even worse choice.

McConnell intends there to be a Republican victory in 2016. If it turns out that Clinton is elected, he will likely do as you say as a backup plan, but his main plan is to hold out until a Republican president is sworn in in 2017.

Given the damage done to Mr. Obama's second term by the 2013 gun control debacle, McConnell will almost certainly be able to follow his main plan and wait for President Trump to be sworn in.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:15 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

But the Republicans could also lose the Senate.

Indeed. I'm confident that they will. But that just means the window for confirming Garland will be from November 9, 2016 to January 2, 2017.

engineer wrote:
I think Obama will keep the Garland nomination, not because he is "just enough of an egotist", but because he probably promised Garland that he would stand behind his nomination.

If Obama promised to support Garland "no matter what," he should have known that "no matter what" would have included the possibility of McConnell agreeing to confirm Garland after the election. If that was the case, then Obama should have also realized that he would be giving the GOP a centrist justice when his successor might very well choose a more liberal nominee. And that sort of bargain at the expense of his successor (who in all likelihood will be a Democrat), I contend, would only be acceptable to Obama if it also appealed to his ego.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:20 pm
@joefromchicago,
Fair enough, but you've gone on the record as someone who believes Supreme Court justices should be appointed on the basis of ideology versus any other criteria.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:22 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

McConnell intends there to be a Republican victory in 2016. If it turns out that Clinton is elected, he will likely do as you say as a backup plan, but his main plan is to hold out until a Republican president is sworn in in 2017.

I don't doubt it, but then McConnell is also probably hoping that Trump isn't the GOP nominee. He, like a lot of other Republicans, is just whistling past the graveyard at this point.

oralloy wrote:
Given the damage done to Mr. Obama's second term by the 2013 gun control debacle, McConnell will almost certainly be able to follow his main plan and wait for President Trump to be sworn in.

Yeah, you keep saying that like it means something. It doesn't.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:26 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Fair enough, but you've gone on the record as someone who believes Supreme Court justices should be appointed on the basis of ideology versus any other criteria.

That's true, in part, and, from what I know about his ideology, I'm no fan of Garland. But the organizational dynamics of the court should be considered as well. The supreme court has been criticized for being elitist and out-of-touch, and it certainly doesn't dispel that notion when presidents keep nominating elitist, out-of-touch judges to the bench.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:36 pm
@joefromchicago,
Or he could think that it is his Constitutional duty to appoint someone who could be confirmed and sit on the bench this year. As for the window for confirmation, it could start July 21.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:39 pm
@joefromchicago,
Now you are bringing in a secondary condition: The Magic of Diversity. As if it goes without saying that if we throw in a few justices without an Ivy League education we will get better justice. You must think that merit has very little to do with obtaining an Ivy League education.
 

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