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RESEARCHING HOWARD DEAN, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE

 
 
BillW
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 05:30 pm
Short essay on the positive Tartarin?
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 05:49 pm
I guess I didn't make myself clear.

I do not understand why, regardless of who is in the WH, why negativity regarding an incumbent needs to come into play in a campaign.

We all know who Bush (or whoever the incumbent at the time) is.

But challengers continually couch their positions in relationship to that incumbent.

It is a matter of perspective, Tartarin, regarding "all the negative", and I can understand your perspective when I recall his predecessor, because I felt the same thing at that time.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 07:02 pm
maxsdadeo wrote:
I do not understand why, regardless of who is in the WH, why negativity regarding an incumbent needs to come into play in a campaign.


Incumbents always run on their record. Status quo. "Stay the course."

Challengers always run on changing the status quo, even when there is not an incumbent to run against. (Successful ones, anyway.)

Back to the topic.

This is Dean's statement on Rick Santorum's highly offensive remarks:

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Dean, by this statement, is adopting an approach I wish more Democrats would take: trying to shame Republicans into disassociating themselves from their fellow Republicans.

Yes, I know that shaming a Republican these days is nearly an impossible proposition. But the first step towards doing so is to ask fellow Republicans to explain why they don't appear to have any problems with the negative comments of their fellow travelers. It's a process that may take years to bear fruit, but, as the Republicans have shown with the Democrats, it can work.

I like the way Dean works. He continually tries to put the Republicans on the defensive. He repeatedly points out the radical nature of Republican policies (something which is helped out by the fact that it is true). He doesn't apologize when confronted on a difficult issue. He doesn't back down from a stand even when common wisdom says that it is politically dangerous.

One lesson I think Dean learned from Dubya is that you can't change hearts and minds if you appear to change your heart and mind at every sign of negative reaction. Bush sticks with a position, even if it is a stupid one, despite the opposition it may produce and quite often wins significant concessions in the end.

There is always room for compromise. But a real political player these days has to be willing to delay the inevitable compromise until the last possible moment. And then declare victory when agreement is finally reached.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 08:18 pm
You've got it, Diddie. As for negativity, it don't matter none to me, just s'long as we get that positively awful Bush out of office damn quick. I can't pretend respect for a guy like that.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 08:57 pm
Dean is probably more specific in many of his staements than some other candidates.

Other comments on Santorum include this one from Frist, and his reference to politics is unconsciously funny.

"Rick is a consistent voice for inclusion and compassion in the Republican Party and in the Senate, and to suggest otherwise is just politics," Frist said in a statement.

And then there was Ari Fleischer's comment: Bush would not comment on Santorum's remarks because "the president typically never does comment on anything involving a Supreme Court case."

One of the things Dean is doing is meeting with small groups throughout the States, going for close-up discussions and questions. So far no big fund-raising stump speeches, but he is making himself known to ordinary people in ordinary ways. And apparently meeting with some success. It's not haphazard either - he's meeting with voters of all ages, and makes himself knowledgeable on local issues before he gets there. So he's informed on many levels, and the fact that he welcomes questions and answers them as best he can tells people he does his homework.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 09:11 pm
maxsdadeo wrote:
I guess I didn't make myself clear.

I do not understand why, regardless of who is in the WH, why negativity regarding an incumbent needs to come into play in a campaign.

We all know who Bush (or whoever the incumbent at the time) is.

But challengers continually couch their positions in relationship to that incumbent.

It is a matter of perspective, Tartarin, regarding "all the negative", and I can understand your perspective when I recall his predecessor, because I felt the same thing at that time.


All due respect, and forgive my irreverence, but are you from the moon? What USA presidential campaign in your lifetime didn't have elements of negativity toward the incumbent (especially lately)?
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 09:45 pm
maxsdadeo - negativity comes into play because there is a great deal of it. You refer to the present incumbent, but there is so much negativity that has come out of the WH now, that it seems inevitable that they won't (and have) received a great deal of it back. This adminstration, after all, is widely known for "my way or no way" attitudes, and that does not breed positive feelings.

The incumbent has exhibited the most amazing ability to inspire negative feelings throughout the world, as have many in his cabinet. It's almost a talent. It's really quite difficult to find positives when we are offered no specifics beyond the bring-back-my-tax-cut- plan, and he himself is busy maligning the members of his own part who think it's wrong.

And you do seem to forget the deliberate nastiness that went on for the eight years of the two terms preceding him, unless you don't consider that negative.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 10:50 pm
Oh, No, Mama!

You're not gonna drag me down into that sinkhole!! :wink:
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 10:59 pm
No, max, I'm not. The evidence speaks for itself.

By the way - another refreshing thing about Dean is that he's short. I say that coming from marriage to a man 6'2", with two grandsons also almost that height, and a son-in-law even taller.

Because I'm the shortest one in the family, I do appreciate shortness.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 11:04 pm
http://www.napoleonbonaparte.nl/plaatjes/napoleonzelf.jpg
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 11:19 pm
Ooohh, a famous short person - French, too!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35327-2003Apr24.html
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 11:57 am
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Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont, is fond of saying he is running for President "from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party"--a direct quote from the late progressive Senator Paul Wellstone. Like Wellstone, Dean is critical of the Democrats for not putting up more of a fight against an aggressively rightwing Republican agenda.
"I think the country is going in the wrong direction both economically and in terms of foreign policy," he told me in a car-phone interview during a recent campaign trip, "and I don't think the Democrats are going to be able to beat the President with the equivalent of Bush Lite."
As an outspoken opponent of the war with Iraq, Dean has been drawing cheers and lifting the spirits of Democratic activists who are spoiling for a fight. He chastises his colleagues for voting for the war, and for rolling over on the Bush tax cuts and what he calls the "Every Child Left Behind" education bill.
But while Wellstone spent his life fighting his party's creeping centrism, Dean only recently took up his position as a left fielder. He considers himself a moderate, and he has often crossed swords with Vermont progressives--including a challenger from the state's Progressive Party who won 10 percent of the vote in the last gubernatorial election.
"It's a pathetic thing that I'm the most progressive candidate" among those considered to have a serious shot at the nomination, Dean says.
Progressives in Vermont don't disagree. "Few people would have accused him of being a progressive governor in Vermont," says Paul Burns, executive director of the Vermont Public Interest Research Group (one of the network of consumer and environmental advocacy groups founded by Ralph Nader). "It was not by accident that a strong progressive party was formed while he was governor here as an alternative to some of the positions he was taking."
Environmentalists in Vermont faulted Dean for weak enforcement and for policies that favored large factory farms, as well as for his position in favor of Yucca Mountain as the single repository for nuclear waste in the country--a position that put him at odds with then-Republican Senator Jim Jeffords. Social service advocates criticized him for being a fiscal conservative. And during the last election, the Progressive Party was outraged when Dean attempted to defund the public campaign finance system in Vermont.
Dean, who advocates federal campaign finance reform in the form of public financing of elections, instant runoff voting, and spending limits, responds that Vermont's campaign finance system was a mess after the courts struck down spending limits. "I didn't pull the financing out to screw the Progressive Party. I did it because nobody could use the money," he says.
On other issues, though, he is unapologetic about raising progressives' ire. Dean had the strong support of the National Rifle Association when he was governor, and he insists that gun control should be a state, not federal, issue.
"My position is not unreasonable," he says. "I support the assault-weapon ban, I support the Brady Bill. I want to close the gun-show loophole. But after that, I want each state to be able to make their own gun laws--as much as they want or as little as they want. We don't have much gun control in Vermont, and we also have the lowest homicide rate in America. So why have a big gun control law? Why not let California and New York make as many gun laws as they want but not have them in Vermont and Wyoming and Montana?"
Dean is not categorically opposed to the war. "I don't think you should run for President unless you're willing to use the military might of the United States to defend ourselves," he says. "But I don't think that the President ever made a case that Iraq was a particular danger to the United States. And I think that North Korea is a particular danger. Bush is refusing to negotiate with them. The policy is a policy of bullying and intimidation of both our allies and our enemies."
On domestic issues, progressives give Dean high marks on the issue of health care. A former family doctor, he is a passionate advocate for providing health care coverage to the uninsured. Vermont now provides coverage to more people than almost any other state, thanks largely to Dean's efforts. Only 1.9 percent of the state's poor children were uninsured in the years 1996-1998, according to a report by the Vermont Agency of Human Services. This was the lowest rate in the country.
Instead of advocating a Canadian-style, single-payer system, Dean says he wants to apply Vermont's model to the whole nation, expanding Medicare, Medicaid, and employer health coverage, then working toward crafting a better system.
"My attitude, having tried to do it for twenty years in one way or another, is we ought to try to get everyone in the system and then talk about reform," he says. "We've done the opposite the first three times we've tried it under Truman, Carter, and Clinton. The result was that we couldn't get anything done. . . . Every time we have that fight about how to reform first, the losers are the forty-two million people who go on for another ten years with no health insurance."
Dean's political role model is Jimmy Carter. He got interested in politics while licking envelopes on Carter's 1976 campaign. "Jimmy Carter got me into politics on the notion of connecting human rights and foreign policy," he says. "Now we've got to connect human rights and trade policy." By that, he means attaching labor and environmental standards to all trade agreements.
Dean is not a member of the Democratic Leadership Council, the group founded in 1985 to promote centrism within the party, but he reads their literature and says they have some good ideas.
"At the beginning I think it was very good, because I think the party wasn't winning elections because we were too far to the left," he says. "Now I think the party has moved too far to the right."
Dean says Bush has been something of a stealth conservative.
"George Bush governed Texas as a relative moderate--not a super moderate--but then when he came into the White House he started espousing all this super rightwing stuff," says Dean. "And I think this country is headed in an extreme direction. I think it's painful for a lot of middle class Americans who are trying to make ends meet, and I think it's painful for a lot of our former allies who've discovered that America's woken up to be a bully."
Dean may not have a progressive track record like Wellstone or leftwing candidate Dennis Kucinich, but at least he is raising issues that once constituted the core of the Democratic Party's message. He could act as a healthy corrective to a party that seems to have trouble distinguishing itself from the Republicans, even as the Republicans move further and further to the right.
"Harry Truman first introduced the notion of health insurance for all Americans in 1948," Dean points out. "Now people consider it a socialist plot. That shows how far to the right we are. I think it's too far right, and I think most Americans agree with that."

Ruth Conniff is Political Editor of The Progressive.
http://www.progressive.org/may03/rc0503.html
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2003 10:30 am
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War Profiteering
Even before US troops arrived in Baghdad, looting broke out--in Washington. While Republicans in Congress and their allies in the media yammered about the need to silence dissent and "support the troops," corporations with close ties to the Bush Administration were quietly arranging to ink lucrative contracts that would put them in charge of reconstructing Iraq. Bechtel's contract, worth up to $680 million, to rebuild Iraqi roads, schools, sewers and hospitals drew a lot of media attention, but it was chump change compared with the deal greased through by Vice President Cheney's old oil-services firm, Halliburton. The Army Corps of Engineers told Representative Henry Waxman that a Pentagon contract awarded without competition to Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) to fight oilwell fires is worth as much as $7 billion over two years. The Halliburton subsidiary has been authorized to take profits of up to $490 million.
Congress dozes while the treasury is raided. Waxman has done the best job of monitoring the rapidly burgeoning relationship between the federal government run by Dick Cheney and a corporation formerly run by Dick Cheney. He's been asking polite, persistent questions such as, "What is the exact nature of the work that Brown & Root is expected to be asked to perform under the contract?"
But where's the outrage? Where is the leader with the courage to say, as Franklin Roosevelt did during World War II, "I don't want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of this world disaster"? Democrats in Congress--and Republicans who have not placed their conscience in a blind trust for the duration of the Bush/Cheney years, a group we hope still includes Arizona's John McCain in the Senate and Iowa's Jim Leach in the House--should borrow a page from past wars, when the nation's elected leaders knew what to call businessmen who used hostilities abroad as an excuse to raid the federal treasury. Senator Robert La Follette tagged them as "enemies of democracy in the homeland." During World War II Harry Truman referred to some forms of war profiteering as "treason."
When he heard rumors of such profiteering, Truman got into his Dodge and, during a Congressional recess, drove 30,000 miles paying unannounced visits to corporate offices and worksites. The Senate committee he chaired launched aggressive investigations into shady wartime business practices and found "waste, inefficiency, mismanagement and profiteering," according to Truman, who argued that such behavior was unpatriotic. Urged on by Truman and others in Congress, President Roosevelt supported broad increases in the corporate income tax, raised the excess-profits tax to 90 percent and charged the Office of War Mobilization with the task of eliminating illegal profits. Truman, who became a national hero for his fight against the profiteers, was tapped to be FDR's running mate in 1944.
How about authorizing a contemporary "Truman Committee" to oversee Iraqi war contracts? There's a strong issue here for candidates John Kerry, John Edwards, Joe Lieberman, Bob Graham, Dick Gephardt and all the other Congressional Democrats who would lead their party in 2004 against a President who will be rolling in corporate dough, some of it from companies that profit from war. Voters will respond to a Democrat who is willing to battle the profiteers. Like most Iraqis, most Americans want to see an end to the looting.
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030512&s=editors
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Piffka
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2003 11:27 am
I'm going to a Dean for President get-together on Wednesday. Anybody want me to ask a question for them?

As a pacifist, I doubt he has much of a chance and have favored Gephardt, who seems more electable to me. I hope that the left doesn't shoot themselves in the foot again and have 15% of the vote go to an even-more-green-than-you candidate. I'm still angry with Ralph Nader.
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Mapleleaf
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2003 11:45 am
Pif,
Consider asking a question like, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE TOP THREE ISSUES IN AMERICA TODAY?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2003 11:48 am
Is Dean a pacifist, or just someone who opposes invasion of Iraq?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2003 11:50 am
"There's a strong issue here for candidates John Kerry, John Edwards, Joe Lieberman, Bob Graham, Dick Gephardt and all the other Congressional Democrats who would lead their party in 2004 against a President who will be rolling in corporate dough, some of it from companies that profit from war. Voters will respond to a Democrat who is willing to battle the profiteers. Like most Iraqis, most Americans want to see an end to the looting." (see above)

I'd ask him whether he back such a proposal.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2003 11:51 am
No true pacifist could even remotely be taken seriously in a presidential campaign. Armed force is part and parcel of the "commander in chief" thing.

No, Dean is not a pacifist - he just thought it was stupid to rush into Iraq, guns blazing.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2003 12:18 pm
An interesting thought, Snood, in the context of our earlier discussions about who can and can't achieve the presidency. That sounds ironic, but in fact I'm admitting a) I never thought about that before and b) I'm not sure you're right. ...though it would take some giant steps to get to that point. In fact people aren't pacifists in isolation. They are pacifists and (for example) for universal healthcare and for an increase in availability of and spending on higher education and etc. etc. So one is "selling" a package, not a single position. Taking that back to the earlier discussion about race and the presidency, I think the same applies.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2003 02:21 pm
Tartarin wrote:
An interesting thought, Snood, in the context of our earlier discussions about who can and can't achieve the presidency. That sounds ironic, but in fact I'm admitting a) I never thought about that before and b) I'm not sure you're right. ...though it would take some giant steps to get to that point. In fact people aren't pacifists in isolation. They are pacifists and (for example) for universal healthcare and for an increase in availability of and spending on higher education and etc. etc. So one is "selling" a package, not a single position. Taking that back to the earlier discussion about race and the presidency, I think the same applies.


Not sure I get the connection to the aforementioned discussion about race. But the textbook meaning of "pacifist" is someone who eschews violence in any circumstance (well, actually "strongly and actively opposed to any conflict - especially war" - Merriam-Webster online). And someone who believed that way could not be seriously considered to lead this very militaristic country, regardless of their views on other issues, IMO.
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