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RESEARCHING HOWARD DEAN, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE

 
 
Mapleleaf
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2003 02:14 pm
And......Dean's VP would be........?
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2003 02:32 pm
Information on Dean from the RNC. Very interesting.




http://www.rnc.org/Newsroom/RNCResearch/research011003.htm
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2003 02:45 pm
mama, your current one - George W. (What Me Worried) Bush! Smile
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2003 04:36 pm
Don't believe for a minute that the RNC won't spend many thousands of dollars, earned through sweated labor at dinner parties with major corporate supporters, to Find Something Out About Dean which will be whispered with their usual candor to Roger Ailes 15 minutes before the evening news when you least expect it.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2003 10:12 pm
Oho. Very perceptive, Bill. Incidentally, my daughter told me he referred to the Irelanders... I thought the ears and twitchy grin were there.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2003 10:17 pm
Way, way back when everyone (including diehard Republicans) were saying, "this dumb **** will never be President, why he won't even make it out of Iowa" - I was saying then that he reminded me of Alfred E. Newman.

Ask some women about how he was young, had all his parts in the right places, seemed okay to me - did they think he was, well you know, a winner. Was told that this guy was a loser! Well, I certainly couldn't be the judge on that.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2003 11:35 pm
What parts? The ones I see don't exactly match, but they're not very attractive. Or do you mean other parts?
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 07:06 am
I don't know MJ, I'm just a man who doesn't rate other men. He has two legs but walks like he has a corn cob stuck up his butt, has a mouth with a terrible sneer, two ears that make him look like Alfred E. Newman, two eyes always staring into nothingness and a nose. But, I kon't know - I will take it from you!
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 11:40 am
Gee whiz, Bill, and I thought you were a fan!

I'm a woman, and I do rate some men. And I'll tell you something tha has been curious to me. Remember all the hoop-la about our Bill? And how all those prissy repub men couldn't figure out why Clinton was (and still is) so attractive to women? Well, isn't it funny that damn all seem to find this one not even the least bit attractive? Easier to picture him in the bathroom than in bed. And maybe that's part of the basic personality here. Such a lack of the vital essences that third parties have had to give him a personality. Because, when you look at it, the man has nothing of his own. Everything is shaped, planned out, laid out for him, and yet he still has to practice it all in front of a mirror. In all the set-up crowd pictures I've seen, it's never been for him personally, but rather the image of the title.

So, when we look at Dean, we're looking at a real, live person. Will this be good enough to buck a cartel of greedy PR hucksters? I don't know - we live in an age of electronic advertising.

Shoot - didn't mean to get so serious. Just hung up on one of our valued posters who is very depressed about the whole thing. We agreed we would never have accepted a date from Bush, but then, we realized, this admin, despite the window dressing, has nothing to do with women. I'm sure the Bush twins were accidental, or possibly planned by the cartel to prove our george could do it.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:20 pm
Do we have absolute knowledge of who the father is? Thanks for the full, serious answer. It is the image I get. I see so many Republicans around here saying, "He ain't my President" - and "I'll never vote for him" - I wonder where all the polls are taken?
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 09:52 pm
Well, some days I get more depressed about this than others.

Polls - my first NY job was working for the Conference Board as a chartist - and from there I went to polls and other stuff. Learned early not to trust almost any of them. Most are bought and paid for, and we all only quote the ones we like. I do notice, however, that I'm not seeing or hearing so much about the percentages favoring or not anymore.

I am beginning to think religion may play a part in this. Franklin Graham is out there big, and he may do more harm than they realize. I know Rove wants to keep his Christian right energized - but...will a lot of others go for this? Or is this another thread?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2003 09:31 am
This was emailed to supporters -- and appears today in Common Dreams:

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April 17, 2003

[Note: After reading a recent article that called into question my opposition to the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war, I wanted to state my position clearly to set the record straight. I appreciate that the editors of Common Dreams have given me this opportunity.]

When Congress approved the President's authorization to go to war in Iraq - no matter how well-intentioned - it was giving the green light to the President to set his Doctrine of preemptive war in motion. It now appears that Iraq was just the first step. Already, the Bush Administration is apparently eyeing Syria and Iran as the next countries on its target list. The Bush Doctrine must be stopped here.

Many in Congress who voted for this resolution should have known better. On September 23, 2002, Al Gore cautioned in his speech in San Francisco that "if the Congress approves the Iraq resolution just proposed by the Administration it is simultaneously creating the precedent for preemptive action anywhere, anytime this or any future president so decides." And that is why it was such a big mistake for Congress to allow the president to set this dangerous precedent.

Too much is at stake. We have taken decades of consensus on the conduct of foreign policy - bipartisan consensus in the United States and consensus among our allies in the world community - and turned it on its head. It could well take decades to repair the damage this President and his cohort of right-wing ideological advisors have done to our standing in the international community.

Theirs is a radical view of our role in the world. The President who campaigned on a platform of a humble foreign policy has instead begun implementing a foreign policy characterized by dominance, arrogance and intimidation. The tidal wave of support and goodwill that engulfed us after the tragedy of 9/11 has dried up and been replaced by undercurrents of distrust, skepticism and hostility by many who had been among our closest allies.

This unilateral approach to foreign policy is a disaster. All of the challenges facing the United States - from winning the war on terror and containing weapons of mass destruction to building an open world economy and protecting the global environment - can only be met by working with our allies. A renegade, go-it-alone approach will be doomed to failure, because these challenges know no boundaries.

The largest, most sophisticated military in the history of the world cannot eliminate the threat of sleeper terrorist cells. That task requires the highest level of intelligence cooperation with our allies.

Even the largest, most sophisticated military in the history of the world cannot be expected to go to war against every evil dictator who may possess chemical weapons. This calls for an aggressive and effective diplomatic effort, conducted in full cooperation with a united international community, and preferably with the backing of the multilateral institutions we helped to build for just this purpose. This challenge requires treaties - such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty - that this Administration has sometimes treated cavalierly. In any case, war should be a last resort or an option to be used in the face of an imminent threat.

The UN Charter specifically protects the right of self-defense against armed attack, and most agree that action against imminent threat is also justified. As President - as has been the case with all previous presidents - I would not hesitate to use our military might to protect our people or our nation from an imminent threat. But you will not find a Dean Administration turning to the option of force in the first instance as this President does.

The immediate task at hand of the next president will be to begin rebuilding our relationships with our allies so that we can work in concert on tackling these challenges.

The next president will need to undo the work of this band of radicals currently controlling our foreign policy - who view the Middle East as a laboratory for their experiments in democracy-building, where no such traditions exist. Their approach will drastically change the view that the world has had of the United States.

Our nation should be viewed as a moral and just power, a power that seeks to do good, one that has led by example and with a spirit of generosity, and one that works with the world community in advancing the ideals of human dignity and rule of law across the globe.

The people of this country must understand that this Administration has a far different concept of the role of America in the world. This concept involves imposing our will on sovereign nations. This concept involves dismantling the multilateral institutions that we have spent decades building. And this concept involves distorting the rule of law to suit their narrow purposes. When did we become a nation of fear and anxiety when we were once known the world around as a land of hope and liberty?

On day one of a Dean Presidency, I will reverse this attitude. I will tear up the Bush Doctrine. And I will steer us back into the company of the community of nations where we will exercise moral leadership once again.

And not only will I seek to heal the divisions this President has caused in the world community, but I would also begin the process of healing the divisions he has exploited here at home.

This President shamelessly divides us from one another. He divides us by race - as he did when he claimed that the University of Michigan uses quotas in its law school admissions. He divides us by class by rewarding his campaign donors with enormous tax cuts while the rest of us are deprived of affordable health care, prescription drugs for our seniors, and good schools for our kids. He divides us by gender by seeking to restrict reproductive choice for women. He divides us by sexual orientation by appointing reactionary judges to the bench, and as he did in Texas by refusing to sign the Hate Crimes bill if it included gay or lesbian Americans as potential victims.

It is a Bush Doctrine of domestic division, and I want to be the President who tears that doctrine up, too. I want to restore a sense of community in this country - where it's not enough to worry whether your own kids have health care, but whether your neighbors' kids have health care. I want to go to the South and talk about race. White southerners have been flocking to the Republican Party in recent years, but I want to offer them hope that their children will benefit from better schools and affordable health care, too. The Republican Party has done nothing for working people, black or white, and we need to remind Southern white folks that the only hope for better schools, and better job opportunities, and health care that is affordable is a Democratic President.

I am what is commonly referred to as a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. I am proud of the fact that as Governor I routinely balanced the budget - which I was not required to do by Vermont's constitution - and paid down our state debt by nearly a quarter. I had to make tough decisions, and I will admit that some of them did not make the progressive community happy. But I made those decisions because I have a guiding principle that social justice must rest upon a foundation of fiscal discipline. Because of that approach to governance, Vermont today is not cutting education and is not cutting Medicaid despite the perilous economic times brought on by the Bush fiscal policies.

One of my goals as a Presidential candidate is to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party - a line made popular by the late Paul Wellstone. Some have questioned why I would so closely align myself with a politician whose politics were considerably more liberal than mine. The fact is that I admired Paul Wellstone greatly, not only because of his politics, but because he stood up for his beliefs and fought for them until the day he died. I can only hope that someday people will say the same about me - that I, too, remained true to my core principles no matter what. I believe that the Democratic Party needs to stand for something if we want people to vote for us. And by standing against the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war and domestic division, we may yet rediscover the soul of our Party.

Sincerely,

Governor Howard Dean
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 10:01 am
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030417/capt.1050605672.dean_2004_cr104.jpg

"We don't know if the Iraqi people are better off without Saddam"


Huh!?!?!??!!?
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 10:06 am
Quote:


"We don't know if the Iraqi people are better off without Saddam"


Huh!?!?!??!!?


Huh? is right - especially without any context, or reference...
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 10:23 am
snood wants the context, he gets the context, but I really think that the comment speaks for itself.

And it doesn't reflect positively on Dean. Which brings me to the subject of my post, what POSITIVE is Dean advancing, or has he fallen into the trap of "I'm not GWB" and only puts forward reasons not to vote for Bush?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 10:36 am
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:wGJLqBEUAC8C:www.webforwards.com/images
"Lucky me. I hit the trifecta,''
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 11:01 am
Aw gee, Max, not much -- just healthcare, repair of international relations, fiscal responsibility and a few other minor things like that. He has an excellent record as Vermont governor. Even the opposition likes him. He's using the internet very intelligently to raise money, not from corporations, but from individuals. He's taken a tough anti-war stand, and he doesn't budge when it comes to principles. I don't see anything he's doing which is just reaction to Bush (though there's plenty to react to!)

So what's Bush got going for him? Lousy record on the economy and most other domestic issues? Abysmal record in dealing with the rest of the planet? And he's a liar and cheat? That's got your vote?
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 11:22 am
maxsdadeo wrote:
snood wants the context, he gets the context, but I really think that the comment speaks for itself.

And it doesn't reflect positively on Dean. Which brings me to the subject of my post, what POSITIVE is Dean advancing, or has he fallen into the trap of "I'm not GWB" and only puts forward reasons not to vote for Bush?


Have you actually read anything about Dean? I can't see how you could have, if you think all he has had to say amounts to "I'm not Bush".
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 02:50 pm
Yes, I have snood, quite a bit.

Quite frankly, his stance is sufficient to differentiate himself from GWB to all but the most obtuse observer.

As such, I don't see the necessity to continually pound the negative, but it must just be a matter of perspective.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 05:24 pm
There's just so darn much that's negative about the current administration, Max.
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