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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 08:09 am
Bernie's incredibly divisive attack ad running in the Iowa, NH. Wink

http://youtu.be/2nwRiuh1Cug
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 08:26 am
Here's what the tax code would look like if Bernie Sanders got everything he wanted
Quote:

Bernie Sanders has a lot of plans. He's got his single-payer health care plan, his tuition-free college plan, his infrastructure plan, his youth jobs plan, his expanded Social Security plan, his (borrowed from Kirsten Gillibrand) paid family leave plan, and many others.

And for every plan, he's got an idea to pay for it. College? Slap a financial transactions tax on Wall Street. Infrastructure? Tax corporations on profits they earn abroad. Single-payer? Raise income and payroll taxes, and then a bunch of others too.




While Sanders tends to portray these as separate ideas with separate financing, I thought it'd be worth adding them up and seeing what the tax code looks like with all of them. I looked specifically at his changes to personal income, payroll, and capital gains tax rates.

That leaves out the financial transactions tax, his carbon tax plan, the elimination of many corporate tax breaks he proposes, and so forth. And, of course, it's highly unlikely that everything Sanders is proposing would be passed in its current form should he be elected president, especially with a Republican House. But the combined rates nonetheless give a sense of the scale of change he's calling for.

First off, let's look at income and payroll taxes


The rest at the source.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 08:44 am
@revelette2,
You're either wittingly or unwittingly parroting the self-serving argument of the establishment Dems who've sold out to corporate interests for campaign money.

It's you guys against us.

I hope we can take you down, because this so-called Democracy is nothing but a money-laundering farce.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/21/liberals-no-longer-amused-bernie-sanders-presidential-campaign
revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 09:35 am
@Lash,
Considering I am an establishment democrat and Bernie Sander's is not a democrat at all and neither or you, I won't be too upset at your words.

I find it ironic we are not hearing more "socialist" labels from conservatives than we did by this time when Obama was running considering Bernie Sander's solutions are way outside anything Obama ever proposed. I suspect racism is involved.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 10:19 am
@revelette2,
Maybe. I think Obama got more opposition on policies considered Socialist because he was making what seemed to people to be the initial moves in that direction. So, Bernie's policies seem to be an emphasis on what Obama started - to people who haven't paid closer attention.

I guess it might have seemed like I was trying to make you feel bad. Wasn't. Just speaking my opinion plainly after reading a few articles. You do the same.
revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 10:28 am
@Lash,
My opinion after reading a few articles suggest to me that Sander's policies while good, really would turn this country more socialist in the way he suggest we pay for all his policies which really does seem to come strictly from taxes, and not just from the 1%. While I don't believe in the trickle down, I also don't think it is good idea to go the other extreme which is what I believe Sander's policies would do.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 12:12 pm
A vote for Sanders is really a vote for Trump.

Why?

If Clinton loses to Sanders, a good bet is many Clinton supporters will vote for Trump. Middle class values and work ethics are what make America strong, not the socialist bull advocated by Sanders.
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 12:58 pm
@Miller,
That's ridiculous. What kind of non-thinking is that? If Sanders beats Clinton, Clinton Democrats voting for Trump? Absurdist argument.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 01:00 pm
@Ragman,
Quote:
Clinton Democrats voting for Trump? Absurdist argument.


Not voting at all would have the same effect.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 04:50 pm
Quote:

Unemployment is high and the Labor Participation Rate is at a Depression Era low;
Over the past 8 years insane numbers of people have lost their homes to foreclosure;
The jobs that are created facilitate under-employment and a lesser standard of living;
Tuitions are at an all-time high;
Small businesses are not only harder to start but are preyed upon by bureaucratic Federal Government agencies;
The one-percenters have gotten richer while the Middle Class is disappearing;
The cost of living is high;
Tax reform (as well as all entitlement reforms) has again fallen by the wayside;
Obamacare, deemed a tax by the US Supreme Court, was levied against the populace;
Race relations are at the lowest point since the Civil Rights Movement;
Our military is understaffed, underfunded, under-appreciated by our government and stretched thin;
The Veterans Administration is failing our warriors;
And, our leadership on the world stage is non-existent.


Eight more years of this **** and we will have to build a fence to keep Americans in.

http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2016/01/and-we-sang-we-wont-get-fooled-again/
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 05:41 pm
@coldjoint,
Among the complete and utter bs and total fabrications is that unemployment being high.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 05:45 pm
@Ragman,
Quote:
Among the complete and utter bs and total fabrications is that unemployment being high.


No, it is not. People who left the labor force and have run out of benefits are not counted. You are woefully misinformed. Obama cooks the numbers and you eat them up.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2016 11:09 pm
@revelette2,
If the dems. nominate Bernie thats all you will be hearing. Socialist and communist will be the repubs favorite words. But first they want to help Bernie beat Clinton, the candidate they really fear.
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2016 01:50 am
@RABEL222,
Yup. You got it.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2016 04:18 am
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/23/1474115/-Bernie-fans-should-brace-themselves-for-the-coming-ugly

Politics is always ugly, especially when you take on the dirty crooks who run the system from a back room.

But like Corbyn, Sanders has massed the will of a determined majority.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2016 05:26 am
@Lash,
Hi Lash. I liked your linked article, worth quoting. The italicized text sounds like lines from Hunger Games...

Quote:
STAGE 1: Polite condescension toward what is perceived to be harmless (we think it’s really wonderful that your views are being aired).

STAGE 2: Light, casual mockery as the self-belief among supporters grows (no, dears, a left-wing extremist will not win, but it’s nice to see you excited).

STAGE 3: Self-pity and angry etiquette lectures directed at supporters upon realization that they are not performing their duty of meek surrender, flavored with heavy doses of concern trolling (nobody but nobody is as rude and gauche online to journalists as these crusaders, and it’s unfortunately hurting their candidate’s cause!).

STAGE 4: Smear the candidate and his supporters with innuendos of sexism and racism by falsely claiming only white men support them (you like this candidate because he’s white and male like you, not because of ideology or policy or contempt for the party establishment’s corporatist, pro-war approach).

STAGE 5: Brazen invocation of right-wing attacks to marginalize and demonize, as polls prove the candidate is a credible threat (he’s weak on terrorism, will surrender to ISIS, has crazy associations, and is a clone of Mao and Stalin).

STAGE 6: Issuance of grave and hysterical warnings about the pending apocalypse if the establishment candidate is rejected, as the possibility of losing becomes imminent (you are destined for decades, perhaps even generations, of powerlessness if you disobey our decrees about who to select).

STAGE 7: Full-scale and unrestrained meltdown, panic, lashing-out, threats, recriminations, self-important foot-stomping, overt union with the Right, complete fury (I can no longer in good conscience support this party of misfits, terrorist-lovers, communists, and heathens).
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2016 10:49 am
Damn. I would love to be back in Manhattan this weekend. That town is at its most beautiful in a huge snowstorm.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2016 11:45 am
Why is the thread I posted on lack of law enforcement on illegals been deleted three times?
Is there something about the fact the laws are not being enforced that bothers someones agenda?
Here is the article for the fourth time.


Quote:

Concrete Evidence of the Continuing Plunge in Both Civil and Criminal Immigration Enforcement


Quote:
In the confluence of these reports, we see concrete evidence of several things:

The abject failure of this administration to grapple with sanctuary jurisdictions, even while continuing to ply them with federal monies under the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program;

The ineffectual nature of PEP, which has been rejected by many sheriff's offices out of hand, despite a considerable amount of time and effort by Homeland Security authorities, including the secretary himself, to use their powers of suasion to convince law enforcement that PEP is the best thing since sliced bread;

An apparent newfound unwillingness, quite probably as the result of directives emanating from new Attorney General Loretta Lynch, on the part of U.S. attorneys to prosecute immigration crimes, because there is absolutely no reason whatever to think that aliens have suddenly become more law-abiding in the lenient "no rules, just right" atmosphere created by this White House.

As we lurch and stumble through the last year of this president's hammerlock on the levers of power, look for nothing good to occur in the arena of immigration enforcement; hope, rather, that he doesn't leave such a shambles that it cannot be undone.

Edit [Moderator]: Link removed
I have no idea why the facts are upsetting. Clearly the progressive support for lack of enforcement is evident, here and in the media. The truth does matter, if we choose to ignore it the country will pay dearly.


wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2016 05:26 pm
Here's a question for someone to answer: Why has coldjoint's link been removed from his post? (I'm not being partisan here. I'm just curious.)
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2016 05:41 pm
@wmwcjr,
I'd like to know as well. I'm thinking maybe it was a neo-Nazi link or some other really nasty site?
 

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