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roger
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2016 09:36 pm
@blatham,
Yeah, but the people who should be watching probably don't read the New Yorker.
taba
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2016 11:27 pm
@Kolyo,
Kolyo

I would worry more about a president who got his Koran from a gumball machine. He is lying about Islam and he knows it. Now you know it too.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2016 02:44 am
@roger,
Damned barbarians.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2016 06:01 am
Why we need a wall on our southern border. But let's be clear - no one here is saying that Americans have thighs like cantaloupes.
Quote:
Canada bans most guns and has a minuscule number of gun-related homicides a year. But, worried about smuggled firearms from the United States, its government is preparing to stiffen its already tough gun laws and step up border surveillance.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has promised new regulations and a string of measures to counter gun smuggling, which is regarded here as a dangerous problem underscoring the United States’ much looser firearm laws.
http://wapo.st/1TgFMOj
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Feb, 2016 06:49 am
Here's a good one. Conservatives in Britain demonstrating their deep conservative certainty that central control is bad and local control is good.
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The British government intends to ban public institutions in the country from themselves banning the purchase of goods from Israel. It will unveil rules later this week that will make it harder for local town halls and public universities to enact boycotts on Israeli products, spurred by growing popular anger around the collapse of the Middle East peace process.
http://wapo.st/1WpbdFE
In the US, which of the two parties would be more likely to sign on to such a centrally-controlled legal mandate?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 16 Feb, 2016 08:54 am
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-february-16-2016-1.3449741/journalist-jane-mayer-target-of-reprisals-for-investigation-of-koch-brothers-1.3449790

Quote:
Investigative journalist Jane Mayer followed a money trail through some of the most powerful corporations in America. And as she learned more, one corporation began to follow her. Jane Mayer joins The Current to talk about the billionaires behind the rise of the radical right.


podcast link ^
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Feb, 2016 09:24 am
@ehBeth,
And I've just listened to it (thanks Bethie).

AND YOU SHOULD TOO, EVERYBODY.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 06:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Unfortunately, your hallucination is for real, and many voters like Trump. That such a racial bigot can get so much media coverage only supports his campaign. What has this country come to?


I don't know, but Trump and Sanders share a lot of fans among themselves.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 07:44 pm
@maporsche,
Anna Maria gets more good interviews

Bernie Sanders's socialist revolution is a sham, says author Chris Hedges

Quote:
The 2016 road to the White House has been filled with plenty of twists and turns. Just a year ago, it would have been hard to believe that an avowed socialist could be giving Hillary Clinton a run for her money for the Democratic ticket. But that's just what Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders is doing.

As much as candidates and pundits on the right take glee in describing Sanders as a socialist, he's publicly admitted to wearing the moniker.

"You wanna call me a democratic socialist because I believe that healthcare is a right? Fine, call me a socialist. I accept it."
- Bernie Sanders on a radio call-in show last year
After strong showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, all eyes will be on Sanders as the Nevada Primary takes place this weekend. And as many observers are fond of pointing out, the Democratic party is often aligned with the very corporate entities Sanders says he'd like to overhaul.

But how much socialist credibility does Bernie Sanders really have? Could a President Sanders really bring socialism to the land from inside Washington?

"We need to build a movement because the rise of these protofacist forces embodied in figures like Trump, is not only built on legitimate rage, despair, a sense of betrayal, but by a bankrupt liberalism."
- Chris Hedges, author of The Wages of Rebellion
Guests in this segment:

Mimi Soltysik, presidential candidate for the Socialist Party USA.
Chris Hedges, award-winning journalist and author of The Wages of Rebellion.
John Nichols, national affairs correspondent for The Nation magazine, and author of The S Word.




edit : the transcript

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-february-17-2016-1.3451374/feb-17-2016-episode-transcript-1.3452431#segment3
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 04:56 am
@ehBeth,
So Bernie is a sham because he is not a real hard core socialist, but only a social democrat... Thanks for the laugh!
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 05:11 am
@Olivier5,
I followed the author she's touting in that piece. He espouses a disappointing opinion about Bernie's campaign prospects, but a far worse opinion about the Clintons and the reality of American politics.

This actually strengthened my resolve. I'm sharing it with all of my Bernie supporters. This is what we're fighting.

Hillary clinton is a big part of what is wrong with this country.

http://m.truthdig.com/report/item/bernie_sanders_phantom_movement_20160214
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 10:32 am
@Lash,
Yes, Beth's link was a critique from Bernie's left, from people more radical than he is. They want to get rid of capitalismm, and they don't think Bernie is a true socialist... Apparently that comes as a surprise to some. :-)
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 10:40 am
@Olivier5,
Did you listen to the podcast?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 10:53 am
@ehBeth,
No, I read the transcript.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 11:02 am
@Olivier5,
In that case, I'll have to tell you that I'm surprised by your comment about it. Only one of the people involved was an American socialist - to the left of Mr. Sanders.

Now, it's likely that I'm biased - since I'm left of Mr. Sanders - but I found it a reasonably balanced analysis of his relationship to the Democratic party. Not perfect, but reasonably balanced.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 11:25 am
@ehBeth,
You didn't listen very carefuly then. Chris Hedges is a self-proclaimed socialist who think the market economy is inherently wrong. He was Ralph Nader’s speechwriter, and in the trasncript he scolds Sanders for folding with the democrats, and for saying that he will support Hillary if she wins...He is definitly more extreme than Sanders, and so is Soltysik.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 06:09 pm
The things people focus on!

Hedges excoriated the Dems - and is maddest at Bernie for not being more aggressive against Hillary. Bernie gets his worst criticism for asking his supporters to rally around HRC if she cheats him out of the win. <--I editorialized...

excerpt from Hedges' comments--

And what happens is that this movement ultimately gets folded into the deadly embrace of the Democratic establishment. The Clintons in 1992 rose to political promise, largely by dismantling the diversity that had been built by Jackson. Obama, who ran a very similar kind of populist campaign in 2008, betrayed his constituency. I think Sanders and Obama are very different political characters, I think Sanders has far more integrity than Obama. But he is playing a very duplicitous game. He has long worked as a Democrat, he has seniority, he campaigned in 1992 for Clinton, and 1996. And this was after Clinton had passed NAFTA, destroyed our welfare system, exploded the prison population. [Lash - so Bernie is assaulted for backing evil Clinton.]

He has long been an obstacle to third party movements, in 2004 calling on Ralph Nader not to run. And I think that, without going into a long explanation of the corporate coup d’état that's taken place in the United States, the Democratic Party has served corporate interests for the last few decades as assiduously as the Republican Party. And he has said that, should Hillary Clinton be the nominee, and the party establishment is working overtime to make sure that happens. [Bernie takes it on the chin from Hedges for supporting Hillary if he's not the nominee.]

I like Hedges. I think Bernie is doing the best he can from where he is. I can't see a damn word against my guy, but the Clintons are flaming.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 06:52 am
Pentagon's Guantanamo Closing Plan Lays out Costs, Savings
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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2016 07:12 am
Obama Signs Executive Order Relocating Congress to Guantánamo By Andy Borowitz
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2016 09:29 am
@revelette2,
the man's a gem.
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