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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2016 09:30 am
The GOP can hear footsteps out in the night

trump, trump, trump trump, trump
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2016 07:51 pm
Quote:
"The party doesn't have any magic powers. All it has is its credibility with its voters. Because, in the end, parties can only influence — it's voters who actually decide. And the Republican Party has, for whatever reason, lost its ability to influence its voters. Donald Trump is winning this thing, and so far, Ted Cruz, the only guy elite Republicans hate more than Trump, is vying for second place.

Parties are vehicles for structuring information. Their role is literally to help voters decide by helping them choose whom to trust. The fact that Republican voters seem to prefer candidates whom their party is screaming not to trust reveals a profound failure in the GOP's core role. The Republican Party is broken."
http://bit.ly/1R2L23F
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2016 08:02 pm
@blatham,
The GOP is totally busted! I'm not sure they can solve this problem when the majority supports Trump, the racial bigot, ignoramus, and woman hater. Facts are stranger than fiction, and we're living it in the US of A.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2016 08:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Interesting times, for sure.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 25 Feb, 2016 04:53 am
Today's alternate reading segment.

Trump has famously said, "I don't want people dying in the streets". Sounds nice, doesn't it? But what if he has that in a category which also includes...

I don't want people pooping in the streets after visiting Mexico.
I don't want people humping in the streets, especially really fat amputees.
I don't want people vomiting cheeseburgers and vinegar in the streets.
I don't want women menstruating in the streets. Or anywhere. Gross!
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revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2016 07:08 am
I don't want to turn this thread over to one of those threads where there are endless videos and articles on police brutality, but this one coming up below just made me mad. She is the same age as me.

Woman dies after being “deprived of water” in Charleston County jail

Quote:
A 50-year-old woman arrested for failure to pay court fines died in police custody after Charleston, South Carolina, officials failed to provide “reasonable medical care,” lawyers representing her family said this week.

After calling an ambulance with complaints of nausea and vomiting, Joyce Curnell was arrested in the hospital on a bench warrant stemming from failure to pay fines connected to a 2011 shoplifting charge. She died in jail last year on July 22 after having spent 27 hours in custody. Her family claims that she was neglected by jailers after becoming sick during that time, vomiting in a trash bag through the night while staffers ignored requests to tend to her, according to the Post and Courier.

Curnell’s family is suing the Carolina Center for Occupational Health for malpractice, claiming that her death came as a “deliberate failure” that could have been prevented if she was given water and treated for gastroenteritis. (Instead, court documents say medical staff “refused to provide any medical attention to [her] whatsoever,” even though she could not make it to the bathroom.) The American Civil Liberties Union of South Carolina said it will monitor the case closely.

Maria Gibson, the Medical University Hospital primary care doctor hired as an expert witness for the family, said in an affidavit that Curnell died of complications from her sickness. Coupled with several underlying conditions — including a history of sickle cell disease, high blood pressure and alcoholism — Curnell was just too sick to overcome dehydration without aid, Gibson said.

“Simply put,” Dr. Gibson said, “Ms. Curnell died because she was deprived of water.”

During that month, she was one of at least six black women to die in law enforcement custody, including Sandra Bland.
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2016 07:39 am
The Plan to Shut Down Gitmo

GOP: Obama's Gitmo plan is 'dead on arrival'

Congress should build on President Obama’s plan to close Guantanamo

The real problem with Guantanamo

Time to close Guantanamo Bay prison and move detainees

Editorial: Closing Gitmo is no big deal

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2016 12:15 pm
@revelette2,
The majority of people should see and acknowledge the republican gridlock in Washington for what it is. They're a bunch of children in the schoolyard fighting for a non-issue only to show they are a bully. It would please me to no end to see all of them replaced with adults.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2016 03:06 am
@revelette2,
Feel free to post anything here, revelette.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 11 May, 2016 12:10 pm
Finally, years have gone by, I might join Twitter - so I can follow Sadiq Khan (whose name I unfortunately misspelled on another thread). Wishing him well from here.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 11 May, 2016 02:15 pm
@revelette2,

The main reason why the Democrats want to close Guantanamo and set up an identical institution on US soil is because they lied and created the illusion that atrocities were happening there, and now they don't want to be tainted with their own lies. They think they can spout a claim that "things are different at the new facility", and all the nutcases who were fooled into thinking there is something bad about Guantanamo will not have any objections to the new facility.

The main reason why the Republicans will not let Guantanamo be closed is because the Democrats' lies about the facility were outrageous, and it is poetic justice that the Democrats are tainted with their own lies.

The main question I have is: Why should US taxpayers spend money to build a brand new facility just so the Democrats can avoid being tainted by their own lies?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2016 06:05 pm

Oh wow! This is better news than I ever believed possible if it turns out to be true.

Donald Trump Is Weighing Newt Gingrich for Vice President

http://time.com/4328193/donald-trump-newt-gingrich-vice-president/


Just think, Mr. Trump will be our president from 2016 to 2024, Mr. Gingrich will be our president from 2024 to 2032, and the Democrats have no chance of winning the White House until at least 2036.

And the following three Leftist justices won't be on the Supreme Court much longer (Mr. Trump gets to choose Justice Scalia's replacement as well):

Stephen Breyer: age 77
Anthony Kennedy: age 79
Ruth Bader Ginsburg: age 83


The Liberals are finally going to get everything that they deserve. Twisted Evil

Life is good (for us normal people at least).
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 12:10 pm
This continues to be an unusual and somewhat disquieting election contest, and so far full of surprises..On both sides of the contest there have been suprising and lasting expressions of discontent among the ostensibly committed supporters of the two parties. The details and issues attending the Trump and Sanders campaigns and the unpredicted success each has so far attained are, of course, very different but there does appear to be the possibility at least of some underlying discontent driving the emergence of both figures.

I believe there is little likelihood of Sanders either getting the Democrat nomination, or even actively contesting it in the convention. I suspect the question is more one of just how much damage will be done in the remaining campaign and what price Hillary has to pay to reunite her party. After dumping Wasserman-Schultz, she will have all the usual conservative boogeymen to rail agianst, and that may do the trick.

Among Republicans Trump appears unstoppable, though some appear to be clinging to the hope of a "god from the machine" to somehow emerge and save them - an unlikely prospect. Trump's continuing ascent has so far confounded the forecasts and expectations of most "experts" (and my own as well) . I think the unanswered question is will it continue: is there enough untapped rage and disgust out there to continue his ascent?

I suspect those who think things are fine now, and the insecure who fear new directions will stick with Hillary despite all the self-serving lies and corruption. Those who are pissed off enough to see hope through Trump's vague rhetoric will opt for change. Very hard to estimate the outcome.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 12:59 pm
@georgeob1,
I think that the people will still vote along ideological lines. I don't see Sanders liberals crossing over to Trump because of their anger, and I certainly don't see Republicans who fear a Trump administration crossing over to Hillary.

What I do see is many of these people sitting out this presidential election.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 01:13 pm
@InfraBlue,
Possibly so. The "sitting out" phenomenon, to the extent it occurs, is likely to have unequal and hard-to-forecast effects on the contending parties.

Meanwhile the world and the situation around us continue to evolve. There is evidence of great uncertainty (and shrinking investment) in our stock market and markets around the developed world - a possible harbinger of things to come. The final collapse of Bolivarian Socialism in Venezuela is imminent. The Middle East remains a mess and the emerging Chinese assertions of power and influence are disturbing etablished equilibrium in an area of the world with many conflicting underlying national interests. More surprises are possible in the months remaining.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2016 06:26 am
What if anything does anyone make of this article?

Immigration backlash at the heart of British push to leave the E.U.

Quote:
PETERBOROUGH, England — Seen from London, Edinburgh, Oxford or other havens of the cosmopolitan British elite, this country’s vote next month on whether to quit the European Union may appear to be a relatively easy choice.

Not a day goes by when a foreign leader, renowned economist or military chief doesn’t warn of the dire consequences of a vote to leave — for Britain and for the world.

But venture just 45 minutes north of London by train to the ancient market city of Peterborough and it soon becomes clear why, with just over a month to go before the referendum, the polls are running nearly even.

Here, the initials E.U. are spat rather than spoken, Brussels is a dirty word, and all the prophecies of doom seem a small risk compared with the opportunity to unshackle Britain from Europe.

For in Peterborough — by at least one measure the least E.U.-friendly city in Britain — Europe doesn’t mean the world’s most prosperous and peaceful continent. It means a mass influx of Eastern European immigrants across open borders that residents say has transformed this city beyond all measure.

“This used to be the posh part of Peterborough. Look at it now,” David Jackson, a 41-year-old teacher, said as he ruefully surveyed the scene on Lincoln Road, the commercial heart of the city’s multiethnic immigrant communities. “Romanians pissing in the park. Lithuanians out on the street drinking, doing drugs. Even the rats here are on heroin.”

If Britain does vote to leave the E.U. on June 23, analysts say, a powerfully emotional backlash against decades of immigration in cities such as Peterborough will be the primary driver.

“Immigration is by far the best issue for the ‘Leave’ campaign,” Freddie Sayers, editor in chief of the polling firm YouGov, wrote in a recent analysis. “If the coming referendum were only a decision on immigration, the Leave campaign would win by a landslide.”

Although the E.U. itself ranks near the bottom of surveys measuring the issues that matter to Britons, immigration — levels of which have been at historic highs — often tops the list. Advocates for a British exit have hammered the point, arguing that getting out of the E.U. is the only way for the country to control its borders, because the 28-member club guarantees its citizens freedom of movement.

The anti-E.U. campaign’s emphasis on metaphorically walling off the British isles and, in some cases, demonizing immigrants as criminals, addicts or welfare cheats has generated comparisons to the xenophobia and nativism of another political movement that is shaking the Western political establishment this year.

“The Leave campaign is really the Trump campaign with better hair,” William Hague, a pro-E.U. former British foreign secretary, wrote last week, describing a “transatlantic mirror-image” of resentment toward foreigners and protest against the political class.

America’s presumptive Republican presidential nominee has endorsed Brexit, as the British departure from the E.U. is popularly known. That’s in sharp contrast with the stand of virtually every major world leader, except Russian President Vladimir Putin.

But the Leave campaign has not welcomed Donald Trump’s support, and it bristles at any parallel.

To Stewart Jackson, Peterborough’s ardently anti-E.U. representative in Parliament, Trump is nothing more than a “media-
driven buffoon” who has built his campaign on prejudice and bigotry. The push for Brexit, by contrast, is in his eyes a rational rejection of a supernational union that limits British control over its own laws, “something that no American would accept.”

“We have an old-fashioned view that the best people to run Britain are the British,” Jackson said. “That shouldn’t be a radical concept.”

Still, Jackson acknowledged that when it comes to immigration, there are similarities in the fervency of the backlash in Britain and the United States.

The foreign-born population in both countries is about 13 percent. But immigration has grown significantly faster in the United Kingdom, with the number of foreign-born residents more than doubling over the past two decades. Last year, net migration to Britain — the difference between inflows and outflows — hit a record high at 336,000. Of those, 180,000 were E.U. citizens, who can move to Britain simply by hopping aboard a plane or a train. Unlike in countries across continental

Europe, refugees made up only a relatively small portion of the inflow in Britain.

Peterborough — a modest agricultural city set on the exceptionally fertile plains of eastern England — has been a particular magnet for Eastern Europeans, who have come by the tens of thousands to work the surrounding fields of asparagus, potatoes and beets, or to take relatively low-paid service jobs in the city center.

Those immigrants have helped make Peterborough one of the fastest-growing cities in Britain — with an unemployment rate lower than the national average — and they describe it as a land of opportunity.

“I love this country, and I love this city,” said Simona Budvyte, a 27-year-old Lithuanian who moved to Peterborough nearly five years ago, along with her newborn. “My daughter goes to school here. She’s learning English better than me.”

Budvyte spoke as she busily swept the sidewalk in front of the Lithuanian restaurant where she works as a waitress, along a stretch of Lincoln Road that includes Baltic convenience stores, Indian curry houses and Portugese tapas joints. She said the diverse population blends well in Peterborough, and that the restaurant attracts a clientele from all over. “Everyone likes Lithuanian food,” she said proudly.

But not everyone in Peterborough likes the changes that have come to their city as a result of the immigrant influx.

“You can’t just keep taking people,” said Chris Brooks, a 62-year-old art dealer and resolute supporter of the Leave campaign. “There’s definitely some bitterness out here.”

He criticized the new arrivals for “not doing anything” and for “coming here and working for less than the average English person wants.” (This added by me, does this sentence seem to have two contradictory statements in it? I mean, first they don't do anything, then he claims they work for less than the average English person wants.)


The rest at the source, obviously bolded and comments added by me.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 07:22 am
Before Halloween arrives, you'll all want to get up to the front of the line and reserve what will be the costume item of the season...

The DonaldTrumpHairstyle merkin.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 09:56 am
a friend of a friend

https://medium.com/@cmclymer/the-pettiness-of-the-angry-white-male-58bcc970021d#.wlp30lu8w
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 07:03 pm
Thank you, madam bethie.

And for the guys on Halloween, of course, the matching Donald codpiece. Or, to be anatomically correct, 3/4 of a codpiece.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 08:28 pm
You know, the whole marijuana thing will go completely crazy when Apple comes out with a smart pipe. Keeps itself full. Burns at the right temperature. And reads your moods. And then, calls a Swedish masseuse named Olga or Sven...
 

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