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Hundreds of Armed Right-Wing Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 11:34 am
@boomerang,
the comments on that page are interesting
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Glennn
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 05:19 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Yes, it is interesting (the excerpts that is) and it makes sense.

Yes, that's why I posted it . . .
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There is a place for federal ownership of land, but it must be for specified purposes and not for indefinite periods.

Why are you repeating what the contents of the link I have already provided have stated?
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(I would think that anything and everything the federal government does should be guided by the requirement that it must serve the interest of the entire country)

Yes, that, too, was in the linked material I provided.
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Of course we have been, much to our own peril, moving steadily away from the Founder's wise and prudent concerns over a federal leviathan, largely because such a governmental beast is necessary to advance progressive precepts.

Could you please provide some examples of the progressive precepts of which you speak that require a governmental beast?
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Left to the States, massive pockets of injustice and inequity would exist throughout the nation, and a mere pittance, if anything, would be spent on the disadvantaged.

Could you explain how you came to this conclusion?
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It is also interesting how the Founders notion that the government could never be trusted, but the people, generally, always should be, has, after a little less than 240 years, been completely turned on its head.

Explain.
JPB
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 05:39 pm
I wish I'd grabbed a link when I first saw the report this morning, but apparently the appeal for snacks and provisions that we were all scoffing at resulted in large quantities of meat and supplies being delivered by local/area ranchers. I can't find the report now, but will keep looking. The "occupiers" are waxing poetic about luxury conditions and staying for the long haul.
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boomerang
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 05:55 pm
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BURNS, Ore. — The armed band of protesters who have taken over administration buildings at a federally owned wildlife refuge near here have said they want the property returned to the ranchers who once owned those lands.

But on Wednesday, the Burns Paiute Tribe demanded that if anyone should get the property back, it should be them. Their ancestors were roaming the still wild and empty reaches of what is now called the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge perhaps as long as 15,000 years ago, they said.

“Don’t tell me any of these ranchers came across the Bering Strait,” said the tribal chairwoman, Charlotte Rodrique, referring to the ancient ice age land bridge between North America and Asia that was the conduit for native migration of the Americas. “We were here first,” she added. “We’d like the public to acknowledge that.”

Other tribe members, in even harsher denunciation of the group that has occupied the refuge since last Saturday, said the protesters were a public menace and an insult to the local people.

“We as Harney County residents don’t need some clown coming in here to stand up for us,” said another tribal council member, Jarvis Kennedy, when asked about the protest group’s leader, Ammon Bundy. “We survived without them before.”

Residents here in this rural area of east-central Oregon are divided over the goals and actions of the protesters. Some are rallying in support; others, led by the Harney County sheriff, say the protest and the potential for violence have become an economic and social blow to a struggling area.

Mr. Bundy, asked at a news conference at the refuge about the tribe’s criticisms, said that he did not know much about the Paiute Indians but that he believed that they were probably oppressed by the federal government as much as anybody else.*

“They have rights as well,” Mr. Bundy said. “I would like to see them be freed from the federal government as well.”

Ms. Rodrique, asked if she would consider meeting with the protesters to talk about lands issues or the protest at the refuge, said Mr. Bundy and his followers had no standing or credibility to merit discussion.

“I wouldn’t dignify them with a meeting,” she said.


*Bolded by me because it was my favorite line in the story.
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Setanta
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 06:03 pm
Gammon Bundy (or whatever the hell his name is) was just interviewed on the CBC. He was ranting on, and then stated that Article One of the constitution prohibits the Federal government from acting as it has in the case of the BLM. Really? Which section of Article One would that be in? He quickly ended the interview after that. A good thing, too--i just re-read Article One, and i don't see any basis for that claim. I find that very often, when people begin fulminating about the constitution, the text seems to have been manufactured in their heads, and does not in fact exist in the text.
boomerang
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 06:20 pm
@Setanta,
I was just looking up a video of the news conference and the ad before the video was for Tampax.

I kind of love that.
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Lash
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 06:47 pm
@blatham,
Magnificent.
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layman
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 06:51 pm
Well, OK, then! Maybe we'll get some real ACTION here after all! The feds have just been lulling them into complacency with this talk about wanting a "peaceful resolution."

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(NaturalNews) Natural News can now exclusively report that local schools near Burns, Oregon are being used as staging areas by FBI and other federal officials in preparation for an armed raid on the protesters camping out at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.

This has been relayed to Natural News via TalkNetwork.com hosts who are on location and have independently affirmed the accuracy of this startling revelation. Pete Santilli, a talk radio host with TalkNetwork.com, is on the scene and broadcasting live from time to time at Talknetwork.com/live.

The federal government is staging military-style weapons, tactical equipment and long-range observation gear inside at least one school, Natural News has learned, apparently contradicting the FBI's publicized claim that it seeks a "peaceful resolution" to the standoff. The kind of equipment being staged by federal officials is inconsistent with any "peaceful resolution" and looks intended to bring the standoff to a sudden and violent end with bloodshed caused by an armed government carrying out the mass slaughter of private citizens and protesters.

All signs now point to a night-time or early morning armed assault on the compound, with federal officials likely hoping to catch the armed protesters asleep or operationally disadvantaged by darkness.

http://www.naturalnews.com/052512_Oregon_protesters_FBI_armed_raid_weapons_staging.html#ixzz3wW01tJuJ
glitterbag
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 07:11 pm
@layman,
OK, I read your article. The author of this imaginative fiction is Mike Adams, isn't he the same Mike Adams who called for the assassinations of scientists and journalists on his website NaturalNews? I thought he has already been discredited for his uber-quakery nonsense.

layman
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 07:16 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

OK, I read your article. The author of this imaginative fiction is Mike Adams, isn't he the same Mike Adams who called for the assassinations of scientists and journalists on his website NaturalNews? I thought he has already been discredited for his uber-quakery nonsense.


That's just cold, Glitter. You're trying to take away all my hope. It just aint right.
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ehBeth
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 07:19 pm
@glitterbag,
NaturalNews as a reference?
layman
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 07:20 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

NaturalNews as a reference?


How could it possibly be wrong if it's "natural," eh? Ya ever ask yourself that?
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ehBeth
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 07:29 pm
@Setanta,
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.3391862/oregon-activist-ryan-bundy-compares-government-to-slave-master-with-whip-1.3391869

it was Ryan - he's not the slickest one out there
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glitterbag
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 08:06 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

NaturalNews as a reference?


I'm not sure what you want to know, but I clicked on layman link, saw the author of the fiction and remembered that he has authored some truly nut case theories. His blog is 'NaturalNews', but I avoid clicking on these blogs and I don't want to know what those skin head site are about either.
layman
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 08:15 pm
Here's my question. Suppose we deputized Montel Williams and made him a bona fide FBI agent. Then, we have him charge the compound, finger mashed down on his assault rifle trigger the whole time, eh? A few seconds (or even minutes, if ya wanna waste time like that) before they set Montel loose, of course, they told them to come out immediately, but they didn't.

Let's say Montel manages to smoke of few of these terrorist hillbillies, but a lucky shot from one of these incompetent inbreds manages to take him out. Would they be guilty of first degree murder, or second, ya figure?
ehBeth
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 08:33 pm
@glitterbag,
That was an expression of surprise on my part that someone would use that site as a reference. It's situated on the far side of the land of wackaloons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_News

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Characterized as a "conspiracy-minded alternative medicine website", Natural News has approximately 7 million unique visitors per month.[8] Founder Mike Adams has been accused of using sockpuppet accounts to fraudulently increase the vote count in his self-nomination for a Shorty Award. The journal Vaccine accused Adams of spreading "irresponsible health information" through Natural News.[9] He has also been accused of using "pseudoscience to sell his lies".[10]

Its founder, Michael Allen "Mike" Adams is an AIDS denialist, a 9/11 truther, a birther,[11] and has endorsed conspiracy theories surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[12]


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Brian Dunning listed it as #1 on his "Top 10 Worst Anti-Science Websites" list.[36] Adams is listed as a "promoter of questionable methods" by Quackwatch.[37]


wackaloon
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CalamityJane
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 08:34 pm
@layman,
You are just as useless as the donkey you rode in with.
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Thomas
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 08:34 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
The Trump phenomenon is clearly confirmation of something.

Yes --- of Hofstadter's Paranoid Style in American Politics I'm surprised you didn't mention it.
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JPB
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 08:36 pm
Huh?

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"There is a time to go home, we recognize that. We don't feel it's quite time yet," protest leader Ammon Bundy told a news conference at the refuge on Wednesday.

"We feel like we need to make sure the Hammonds are out of prison, or well on their way. We need to make sure there is some teeth in these land transfers. And also that those who have committed crimes, those are exposed as well."
Yahoo, or YaThem?

"And also that those who have committed crimes, those are exposed as well."

Yes, and, there is that there as well.
ossobuco
 
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Wed 6 Jan, 2016 08:41 pm
@Olivier5,
Grrrr. I liked Hitchens until I didn't like Hitchens.

I'm glad he lived.
 

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