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Who among us believe they have Neanderthal traits? Who does not?

 
 
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 02:18 am
@neologist,
No, I believe you are doing it on porpoise.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 03:25 am
@farmerman,
Israeli archaeologists found a site where h.s.s. was established and h.n. moved in afterward. The middens were very revealing. The h.n. middens had fewer remains of forage foods, and very little shellfish and fish remains. I've posted about this in more detail elsewhere. It seems to me that h.n. might have over time been subject to a slow death from the rate of death being slightly greater than the rate of live births. If they weren't getting enough to eat in late winter, as a species, they would slowly die off.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 05:49 am
@Setanta,
so they didnt so much exploit all the available food resources because they only knew MEAT?
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 06:45 am
@farmerman,
They seemed to be fatally obsessed with meat, or so it seems to me.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 07:01 am
@Setanta,
I can understand ribs or bacon, but mammoth, naaah.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 07:33 am
@farmerman,
The Neanderthal's Neanderthalers ate reindeer, wild horses or bisons.
Horses: a reason, why the popular German pot roast "Sauerbraten" (pickled roast beef) in the Rhinish version is made from horse meat (and served in a gravy to which have been added raisins and almonds, due to the Roman invaders).
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 07:36 am
@farmerman,
It ought to have been well marbled, though.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 12:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I knew the Hss would drive bison like lemmings, but even reindeer, up close can be formidable and even a small wound could have been fatal at that time in prehistory
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 01:10 pm
@Setanta,
they dried lean meats.I dont know if they understood smoking or salting?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 01:12 pm
@farmerman,
I thought salting was an age old technique used by most cultures.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2015 01:15 pm
@farmerman,
It seems, humans ate mammoths but their paleo-dogs ate reindeer:
Quote:
“Palaeolithic dogs” had a high proportion of reindeer/muskox in their diet, while consumption of mammoth would be expected from the availability of this prey especially in case of close interaction with humans.
Source: Reconstruction of the Gravettian food-web at Předmostí I

Quote:
http://i66.tinypic.com/dmfssm.jpg

Tübingen researcher Hervé Bocherens and his international team carried out an analysis of carbon and nitrogen stable isotopes in human and animal fossil bones from the site. Working with researchers from Brno and Brussels, the researchers were able to test whether the Gravettian people of Předmostí ate mammoth meat and how the “palaeolithic dogs” fit into this subsistence picture.

They found that humans did consume mammoth – and in large quantities. Other carnivores, such as brown bears, wolves and wolverines, also had access to mammoth meat, indicating the high availability of fresh mammoth carcasses, most likely left behind by human hunters. Surprisingly, the dogs did not show a high level of mammoth consumption, but rather consumed essentially reindeer meat that was not the staple food of their owners. A similar situation is observed in traditional populations from northern regions, who often feed their dogs with the food that they do not like. These results also suggest that these early dogs were restrained, and were probably used as transportation helpers.
Source:http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uploads/media/14-11-24UT_Senckenberg_Predmosti.pdf][b]Tübingen University[/b]
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2015 09:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I always noticed that the wild boars (Sus sp) have been ignored by the paleoanthropology guys. Heres a smart sized snacking animal with the roots of barbecue in its loins. It has a wide range in Europe (and only later was introduced to the Americas) Collared peccaries are a whole nother genus that shows a separate evolution from the K.
The range of these true pig" species is pretty wide in Europe and Asia

     https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Sus_scrofa_range_map.jpg/1920px-Sus_scrofa_range_map.jpg



Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2015 10:10 am
@farmerman,
Since you mentioned wild animals: "Hinteler", btw, meant in Old Saxon the [fenced] place where a doe [or deer] comes out.
(Old Saxon is close to Old Anglo-Frisian: in English "hind" is a female deer, especially a red deer.)
My first know ancestor, a certain Diethmar von Hintleren (Hentlare) witnessed a document in 1287.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2015 10:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
So Hinteler ois a place? (I kinda thought it was the profession of the guy who riased and cared for the deer).

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2015 10:41 am
@farmerman,
Actually, Walter showed me the name of a street with his name on it. His dad was a doctor.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2015 10:56 am
@farmerman,
Today it's just road signs.
Has been in hamlet in a small village ("Kirchspiel Beckum") until 1969. (My ancestors left it at the end of the 18th century - started a grain and mill company then.)
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2015 11:02 am
@farmerman,
I still remember my high level of irritation when US customs confiscated the Wild Boar Salami I bought at the Fiumicino Airport (Rome). Grrrrr. Though I probably just frowned, I was well pissed off. Um, is being well pissed off a female neanderthal trait?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2015 11:46 am
@ossobuco,
wild boar salami? did it taste any better or just kind of gamey?

I ate wild boar that my cousin got with a pistol mybe 20 ywars ago. It wS SOME VILE MEAT. I dont think Id opt for it at a wild game restaurant (These are becoming a wee bit more popular in upstate Pa and lower NY).
Wilds pheasant, quail, duck, turkey, fish, IM THERE . Any "wild caught quadrupedal meats " (Except rabbit nd even squirrel) NO THANKS. The meats have that lCTIC ACID BLOOM FROM BEING run down, nd their textures are mealy.
My dad used to get venison sausage made every time he bagged a deer. The butcher so loaded it with veal and pork that you didnt have that shitty venison flavor and texture
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2015 11:59 am
@farmerman,
I didn't get to taste that salami since they snapped it away, but I've had some wild boar (not a whole lot and I'd have to look in my olden diaries to see what dish it was part of) in Tuscany a couple of times. Each time we or I went, it was always low budget longish stay with hardly ever any kind of big meal; not to complain, still some of the best food of my life. Hmmm, there's still a good butcher shop (whatever they call it) in Greve-in-Chianti, where people from miles and miles around go to shop. We stayed across the piazza from it, looked in the window at it that night, never went in.

http://tuscany-toscana.blogspot.com/2013/06/famous-tuscan-butchers-falorni-in-greve.html#.VoAmQChW7s0

Oh, I also loved Panzano, also mentioned in the article, but didn't get into that butcher shop either, just went to a good vineyard restaurant there. Sigh.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g580240-d3611469-Reviews-Antica_Macelleria_Falorni-Greve_in_Chianti_Tuscany.html
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2015 12:04 pm
@ossobuco,
yeh but how did any wild boar taste to you? You actually liked the flavor?
If it wasnt gamey, it was probably finished as a captive animal nd kept in n enclosure nd fed grain . Most of the oods pigs ate acorns ND ROOTED FOR ROOTS. They also were scavengers. So when my cousins boar was cooked, the actual room smellwe like aomething irony with a little hint of tannin
 

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