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How many Trump supporters do we have on a2k?

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2016 10:34 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

What expectations do you think I have of Mr. Sanders?




I really don't know. You seemed out of sorts over what Sanders hasn't yet addressed. I don't see a problem with you critiquing American politicians running for the office of POTUS, just a little confused about what you want to hear.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2016 10:40 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

I think a more important question would be, "how many Trump supporters are even legally allowed to vote?"


An ever better question might be, how can you count on those lushes hauling their butts out of their LazyBoys, ignoring their NattyBo's and being able to read the ballot with their beer soaked eyes.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2016 10:41 pm
@glitterbag,
Nope. Not out of sorts.
I have no particular expectations of Mr. Sanders.
I'm hopeful that he'll move the Democratic party slightly back toward the centre, if not toward the left.
He's sometimes a bit too thoughtful for my taste but that's an upside some days and a downside on others.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2016 11:59 pm
@ehBeth,
I think Bernie's platform will move the Democrats and Independents to acknowledge the ideals the Party aspires to. I think that's a good thing. Unfortunately, my countrymen too often recoil from smart and thoughtful candidates and vote for a carnival clown like Trump. They think he is like them (why they think that I will nevand can actually lead.er understand)

I don't want a leader who will pony up to the bar and drink beer with me, I want someone who actually knows his ass from his elbow. I think we will get that person,but what do we do with those obstructionists that sparsely populated states send off to represent their constituents in the House.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 03:06 am
Trump told his crowd in Vermont to confiscate the coats of protesters and throw them out in the cold.

In my world, that's assault and strong arm robbery. How does he get away with incitement to violence so often?
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 04:17 am
@ehBeth,
I don't think we should expect him to run out and find a hot microphone every time the wind shifts. There is no evidence that he doesn't think quick on his feet. He's very likely the most intelligent, thinking person in the race.

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 07:44 am
@glitterbag,
Very important Trump niche. The incoherent drunks.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 07:45 am
The headlines about the orange haired cretin's VT visit are PRICELESS

Donald Trump grew increasingly frustrated as hecklers repeatedly interrupted his Vermont rally

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-vermont-protesters-coats-2016-1

Trump rally disrupted repeatedly by protesters despite attempts by Trump staff to screen crowd

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-01-07/scores-line-up-for-trump-vermont-event-in-sanders-hometown


Donald Trump brought the fight to Bernie Sanders' hometown. The town fought back.

http://mashable.com/2016/01/07/donald-trump-burlington/#QNvS49CMO8q1

Trump Rally Draws Hundreds of Protesters in Bernie Sanders' Home State of Vermont

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-rally-draws-hundreds-protesters-bernie-sanders-home/story?id=36154602
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 09:07 am
Silently protesting Muslim woman ejected from Trump rally

Quote:
Rock Hill, South Carolina (CNN)—A Muslim woman wearing a hijab was escorted out of Donald Trump's campaign event on Friday by police after she stood up in silent protest during Trump's speech.

Rose Hamid, a 56-year-old flight attendant sitting in the stands directly behind Trump, stood up Friday during Trump's speech when the Republican front-runner suggested that Syrian refugees fleeing war in Syria were affiliated with ISIS.

Trump has previously called for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S.

Despite her silence, Trump supporters around her began chanting Trump's name -- as instructed by Trump campaign staff before the event in case of protests -- and pointed at Hamid and Marty Rosenbluth, the man alongside her who stood up as well.

As they were escorted out, Trump supporters roared -- booing the pair and shouting at them to "get out." One person shouted, "You have a bomb, you have a bomb," according to Hamid

The ugliness really came out fast and that's really scary," Hamid told CNN in a phone interview after she was ejected.

Major Steven Thompson of the Rock Hill Police Department told CNN Hamid was kicked out of the event because the campaign told him beforehand that "anybody who made any kind of disturbance" should be escorted out.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment asking why Hamid was escorted out of the venue.

There is hatred against us that is unbelievable," Trump said. "It's their hatred, it's not our hatred."

Soon after the incident, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a leading Muslim civil liberties group, called on Trump to apologize.

The image of a Muslim woman being abused and ejected from a political rally sends a chilling message to American Muslims and to all those who value our nation's traditions of religious diversity and civic participation," CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad said in a statement. "Donald Trump should issue a public apology to the Muslim woman kicked out of his rally and make a clear statement that American Muslims are welcome as fellow citizens and as participants in the nation's political process."

Before the event, Hamid told CNN that she didn't plan to shout or disrupt the event -- she simply wanted to give Trump supporters a glimpse of what Muslims are like.

"I figured that most Trump supporters probably never met a Muslim so I figured that I'd give them the opportunity to meet one," she said, wearing a shirt that read "Salam, I come in peace." "I really don't plan to say anything. I don't want to be disrespectful but if he says something that I feel needs
answering I might -- we'll just see what strikes me."

Hamid joined a group of people -- some friends, others strangers -- who wanted to silently protest Trump's proposals, which are viewed by some as anti-Muslim.

Several of those other people attended Trump's rally in Aiken, South Carolina, last month, including Jibril Hough.

Unlike Hamid, Hough did not stay silent, shouting "Islam is not the problem" as Trump spoke about radical Islamic extemism.

Despite her early exit, Hamid did manage to speak with the Trump supporters sitting around her in the stands, several of whom held her hand and said "sorry" as she was forced to leave the venue.

"The people around me who I had an opportunity to talk with were very sweet," she said. "The people I did not make contact with, the people who Trump influenced were really nasty."

One woman Hamid spoke with in line remarked that she "didn't look scary," but "like a good one."

"People don't have a chance to see anything other than the Muslims they see on TV," Hamid said, pointing to footage of terrorists and Islamist militants.

Hamid said before the event that she was not concerned for her safety, explaining her ardent belief that "people are mostly decent."

After her chaotic exit, Hamid remained optimistic about the character of most people -- even those who shouted at her to "get out" -- instead blaming Trump's heated rhetoric and outsized influence.

"This demonstrates how when you start dehumanizing the other it can turn people into very hateful, ugly people," she said. "It needs to be known."
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 11:33 am
@revelette2,
Trump fuels the hatred in this country, and gets away with it, because no one in high places challenges his bigotry. Shameful.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 11:44 am
@cicerone imposter,
Given the research out there, challenging the lies isn't going to make a difference. The misinformed will double down on their beliefs.

I posted this link before

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-supporters-appear-to-be-misinformed-not-uninformed/

I recommend it to anyone curious about the phenomenon.

Quote:
In 2000, James Kuklinski and other political scientists at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign established an important distinction: American citizens with incorrect information can be divided into two groups, the misinformed and the uninformed. The difference between the two is stark. Uninformed citizens don’t have any information at all, while those who are misinformed have information that conflicts with the best evidence and expert opinion. As Kuklinski and his colleagues established, in the U.S., the most misinformed citizens tend to be the most confident in their views and are also the strongest partisans. These folks fill the gaps in their knowledge base by using their existing belief systems. Once these inferences are stored into memory, they become “indistinguishable from hard data,” Kuklinski and his colleagues found.

Furthermore, in 2010, political scientists Brendan Nyhan1 and Jason Reifler2 found that when misinformed citizens are told that their facts are wrong, they often cling to their opinions even more strongly with what is known as defensive processing, or the “backfire effect.”




Quote:
Telltale signs of misinformation, for example, were on display in a focus group of Trump supporters run by Republican media consultant Frank Luntz. Not only did negative information about Trump that was presented by Luntz to the group strengthen support for the candidate, participants held on more confidently to their misinformation as the session progressed. As Nyhan and Reifler’s research suggests, attempts to present corrections and generate counterarguments to the group’s beliefs only strengthened their opinions.



if anyone is interested, there are great links to research at the link posted above
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 11:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
because no one in high places challenges his bigotry.


people have tried. people in his party have tried.

it causes his supporters to believe even more strongly

it seems that ignoring the lies might be better - which seems like a really crazy conclusion but possibly the answer
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 11:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
Actually ehbeth is right, people have been challenging his statements, his supporters just get that much more obstinate and ugly. I found it just too ironic for Trump to talk about Muslim hatred when justifying throwing the silent protestors out when it is his and his supporters hatred which was on full and open display.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 11:55 am
if anyone is feeling super political research nerdy, here is a link to the pdf of the paper

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~nyhan/nyhan-reifler.pdf

When Corrections Fail
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 11:57 am
@revelette2,
Thx. It seems bigots come out of the woodworks when the likes of Trump can lead them. I prefer they stay underground where they belong. As individuals, they are powerless.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 02:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
My big joke hope is he gets nominated. My big joke fear is he gets elected.

Trumps a loose cannon. Do we really want the dopes of this nation get to elect the next President of the United States of America?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 02:07 pm
@revelette2,
At the Burlington VT fiasco, Trump actually told his security to "confiscate" protester's coats before ejecting them.

What a great campaign motto, "I'm Donald Trump and I want your coat ... er vote!"
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 02:13 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
If he's that dangerous to a few, can you imagine how dangerous he is to the masses? Being rich provides him with a platform, but he's also crazy, a bigot, and a nincompoop.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 02:16 pm
@ehBeth,
VERRY good stuff!
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 02:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Are we going to let the nitwits of this country elect the next President of the United States.
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