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The upcoming Republican Party convention

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2004 03:19 pm
Ah Sofia! You knew that I already knew there were Republicans with a sense of humour before I found that snippet, right - it just seemed like the appropriate way to lead it in Razz

Meanwhile, since I know (and appreciate) your respect for the Log Cabin Republicans, here's some more serious stuff to chew on ...

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DAILY EXPRESS
Inside and Out


by Chris Strohm
Only at The New Republic Online | Post date 08.30.04

While anti-Bush protestors streamed through the streets yesterday, Log Cabin Republicans held a swank gathering in Midtown to talk about their party's platform. George Pataki, Rudy Guiliani, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arlen Specter were among the invited guests. Guiliani and Schwarzenegger didn't show, but the prospect of finding a number of key Republicans in one place apparently prompted a group called Gays Against Bush to protest outside the gathering. Members of Gays Against Bush say they are appalled by the GOP platform. Funny thing is, so are the delegates they were protesting.

Inside and outside the Log Cabin Republicans' event yesterday, there was striking agreement that Bush's platform and presidential campaign have been hijacked by the far right. "There are two Republican parties right now," said Patrick Guerriero, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans. "There's a party platform and a radical right agenda, and then there's a group of inclusive Republicans. It's time the party made a choice to be either a party of inclusion or a party that totally caters to the radical right."

Make no mistake about it: Log Cabin Republicans are true conservatives. The group supports the GOP on national defense and tax policy, and endorsed Bush in 2000. Guerriero believes about 1 million gays and lesbians voted for Bush in the last election. But he says the president is now in jeopardy of losing his group's endorsement, which will be made after the convention. "The reality is that when you marginalize gay and lesbian Americans in your platform and you try to marginalize them in the Constitution of the United States, it's difficult to assume that you're going to hold onto the support of those million gay and lesbian votes," he said.

Gay Republicans say they will be listening closely to the signals that speakers at the convention send their way. California Delegate Chris Bowman, who is secretary of the San Francisco Republican Party and the San Francisco chapter of the Log Cabin Republicans, said about 50 out of 4,600 delegates and alternates to this year's convention are openly gay. He, like other Log Cabin Republicans, wants to hear Bush say he's against hate crimes and discrimination based on sexual orientation in housing and work.

They will, of course, almost surely be disappointed--just as they were almost surely disappointed yesterday. Log Cabin Republicans may believe social moderates like Pataki represent the future of the Republican Party. But Pataki didn't mention anything about gay rights or the GOP's anti-gay platform in his address to the group on Sunday; in fact, speaking to a group of gay Republicans, he failed to even say the word "gay."

Specter actually gave the best speech yesterday, saying that those who support gay rights are on the right side of history. "When you talk about gay rights you talk about fundamental rights of equality. That's a civil rights issue and you ought not count votes on it," he said. Guerriero, of course, agrees. He is betting that the Republican Party's base will shift in the coming years as pressure mounts to embrace gays and lesbians. "It's going to be impossible four years from now," he said, "to run a campaign that would directly marginalize gay and lesbian Americans." Unfortunately for the Log Cabin Republicans, it remains very possible in 2004.

Chris Strohm is a reporter living in Washington, D.C.


I dont really think the LC Reps will be withholding their endorsement after the Convention - probably more like an exerting pressure thing. But the observation on the current state of affairs with the Party, as made bold above, should give some pause ... Basically, when he talks of the "radical right's" hold on the party, he is including the party platform that was, I understand, adopted today ...
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2004 04:19 pm
I have no problems with anarchists myself, but the Black Bloc is annoying, its true. Also, a good lesson in distingishuing the people whom Gillespie all refers to as "Kerry supporters" here, in the second part of this blog entry (again from TNR):

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SIGN OF THE TIMES: After lunch with GOP chairman Ed Gillespie, I spent the day yesterday with the protesters--or the "supporters of John Kerry," as Ed called them. Two observations are worth passing on. One is that the dominant Bush puns among anti-Bush folks have dramatically shifted from the horticultural to the scatological. The uproot the Bush signs were rare, replaced with musings such as Somewhere between Bush and Dick we got screwed, the only Bush I trust is my own--a popular slogan on woman's t-shirts--and, simply, lick Bush. I think I know what explains the shift. In the last four years, opponents of the president have gone from believing he is an idiot to believing he is a threat to civilization. Calling him "shrub," which was popular in 2000, no longer does the trick. Now, most Bush-haters think he's a ... well you know.

The other thing I noticed was how much the mainstream protesters despise the anarchists, who seemed bent on getting themselves arrested. From my perch below the Fox News jumbotron at Seventh Avenue and 34th Street I watched as a group of black-clad kids wearing bandanas on their faces lit something on fire in front of Madison Square Garden. As smoke filled Seventh Avenue, they booked around the corner and down 34th Street. Halfway down the block, they stopped, huddled together, and waited for the cops to descend upon them. Some opened up umbrellas and one threw a small rubber ball at the approaching police. The cops seemed to realize they were out-numbered. At one point the small group of cops and the anarchists faced off in opposing columns in the middle of the street. The cops slowly backed away as the anarchists approached them. It sort of looked like a small-scale version of that scene from the first days of the Iraq war when American soldiers slowly retreated in the face of a crowd of Iraqis protecting a holy site in Najaf. But a few minutes later the cops closed off the protest route, forcing thousands of demonstrators to pause in front of the Garden, and flooded the block with a massive show of riot police, emergency vehicles, police motorcycles, vans, and horse-mounted cops. After some small scuffles, the cops nabbed a few of the people who they believed had either lit the fire or who had antagonized them in the subsequent face-off. Some protesters shouted typical anti-cop remarks like, "Horses shouldn't carry pigs!" But what was more remarkable was that many protesters condemned the idiot anarchists rather than the cops. One guy in jogging garb from a group called Run Against Bush started a chant of "Lock them up!" Another woman, spotting a female anarchist on the sidewalk, actually ran across the street and smacked her. "For what?" she yelled. It was a pretty good question.

--Ryan Lizza
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:26 pm
...she ran across the street and smacked her. Another good laugh.

These people are scum, IMO...and their opinion of Bush makes Bush look good.

These are the kinds of scenes most folks predicted would alienate the Middle American voter from the Democrats. It doesn't have to be the Democrats doing it. People just wonder where these protesters were during the Dem convention; why they seem to come out of the woodwork against Republicans, and why they have no respect for authority. Kansas and Missouri don't want to stand beside these kids.

Saw footage of a Democrat affiliated hooligan beating a cop unconscious. Bad PR.

Seems like I saw a couple of NY unions go for Bush. I nearly swallowed my gum.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:49 pm
Hope the Log Cabins will hang in there.
Wow, re Specter!!

There are too many pro-individual freedom types in the GOP to hold off gay rights much longer.

We may lose a bunch--but our party will eventually be the better for it.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 02:00 pm
sofia

Though I wish your supposition right, I suspect the party direction will go the other way. I will point out that the social conservative block is now extremely powerful and influential, and that the move is away from libertarian notions at the top levels of the party. That's been the warning from moderates since the 92 convention, and it is even more the case now. Moderates are now targets of the social conservatives in every nomination race.

I will point out too that this convention is designed to forward a moderate face. But that is to large degree a misrepresentation.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 02:12 pm
Sofia wrote:

Saw footage of a Democrat affiliated hooligan beating a cop unconscious. Bad PR.


hey sof, don't know if we saw the same footage. the guy i saw hoppin' and stompin' on the guy looked more like one of the usual suspects i used to see around the recording studios when rap was big. he kind of looked like having the "thug life" drag draped. if that's who the fellow is, his agenda had nothing to do with dems or reps.

(btw, having had a gun(s) stuck in my face and getting shot at is what prompted my questioning of how many rounds fired does it require to constitute being "under fire" on one of the sbvt threads.)

anyway, the main reason i don't attend the demonstrations is that there are many there with impure ideology. i.e., just want to act up.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 02:16 pm
We had some NYC lawyers in the office for a meeting today. They're mostly annoyed about the traffic disruptions the RNC has been causing - and amused by the food delivery guys arrested in the anxiety of the NYC cops to keep things under control.


"A lot the people I was arrested with weren't in the bike ride at all - including a Chinese food delivery guy. He was in the cell across from me."


Apparently, several of these fellas got swept up.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 03:48 pm
Sofia wrote:
...she ran across the street and smacked her. Another good laugh.

These people are scum, IMO...and their opinion of Bush makes Bush look good.

These are the kinds of scenes most folks predicted would alienate the Middle American voter from the Democrats. It doesn't have to be the Democrats doing it. People just wonder where these protesters were during the Dem convention; why they seem to come out of the woodwork against Republicans

Ehmm ... you realise that the woman who ran across the road to smack that girl, and the people chanting "lock them up" (way an overreaction to my mind, but its the stuff you agree with) - those, too, were the protesters you're talking about now, right?

In fact, they characterised the mass of protestors a whole lot better than the Black Block few. So how does that line up with the image you present here of the protestors who "came out of the woodwork against Republicans"?
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 03:52 pm
And what the **** is "a Democrat affiliated hooligan"?

Any random a*shole who's against Bush is now "Democrat affiliated"?



Ah, the wonders of Orwellian language ... Lenin woulda loved it.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 04:00 pm
A guy from my town is in jail in NY now as I heard on a local radio show this morning.

Don't know what he did but he is a proffessional activist, usually environmentally related type stuff like chaining himself to bulldozers and cranes.

He's been in jail numerous times...don't think he's ever had a conventional job...don't know that he's ever done anything violent.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 04:02 pm
monkey wrench gang?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 04:06 pm
I think Master Lock.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 04:42 pm
All about the Billionaires for Bush and the Communists for Kerry in this article (yes, TNR again) - its from Daily Express so should be able to see it without subscription, I think.

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At this most meta of moments, the right-wingers disguised as liberals had adopted the ineffective anger of the group they purported to mock, while the left-wingers disguised as Republicans had wisely embraced the upper crust's bonhomie. [..] The [former's] unequivocal defeat suggests that a decades-old piece of conventional wisdom about American politics--that the left takes itself too seriously and that the right is better at projecting sunny good humor--holds even when left and right are being played by each other.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 05:04 pm
nimh wrote:
And what the **** is "a Democrat affiliated hooligan"?

Any random a*shole who's against Bush is now "Democrat affiliated"?



Ah, the wonders of Orwellian language ... Lenin woulda loved it.

The Dem and GOP talking point writers would love me today. I committed "Democrat affiliated hooligan" on purpose... (I may do it again.)
---
Yes, I knew the slapper was a less stupid protester than the smackee. What makes you think I didn't know?

It characterizes ALL the protesters as not feeling compelled toprotest the Dems. Which says what? ALL of them have an affinity for the Dem party. Black bloc, included.

Don't tread-- He was black and dressed with bling, but he was in the streets with the protesters.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 05:30 pm
yeah, i get your drift. but what i meant was that i had suspicions about WHY he whas there. pardon the caps, i haven't figured out how to get this crazy i/f to do italics. gawd. i am soooo challenged Laughing
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 07:14 pm
Smile

I guess the funniest moment was when Micheal Moore was LOUDLY booed.

McCain liked it so much after all the booing, he said it again!

That disengenuous filmmaker!
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 07:31 pm
Sofia wrote:
Smile

I guess the funniest moment was when Micheal Moore was LOUDLY booed.

McCain liked it so much after all the booing, he said it again!

That disengenuous filmmaker!


i don't know who enjoyed it more, jack mack or mikey. but they both seemed to be "sharing something special"...

but for tonight, i ahm vaitingg fur meine goffernuur von kahl-ee-forn-jah, ahnoldt. Cool
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 11:43 am
<thankfully, someone with more speech problems than Bush...>

I do like Ahnoldt.

I hear he's doing well in California. Against all odds.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 01:30 pm
Sofia wrote:
<thankfully, someone with more speech problems than Bush...>

I do like Ahnoldt.

I hear he's doing well in California. Against all odds.


it's a little too early to tell yet, i think. he made friends by either stalling or killing the sunset on the car tax reduction from the wilson days. that issue was misrepresented as a tax increase proposed by davis. for the most part, ahnoldt hasn't really ticked me off yet, other than taking part in the recall. but hey, ya get old and ya can't get take getting blown up the way ya could 30 years ago. when opportunity knocks...

but, now there is talk of raising the sales tax and other little goodies. what a surprise... it's amazing. some people in savy california still think there is such a thing as "free lunch".

other than some of his overblown rhetoric, which i attribute mostly to the teutonic plague, ahnoldt's kind of o.k. with me. socially liberal, fiscally conservative. whether or not that will be helpful to him on a national level depends on how much control the religious right and the neo-cons retain over the republican platform in the next few years. otherwise he may be forced to join in the popular new game of political musical chairs.

we shall see...
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 01:49 pm
Schwarzenegger said:

Quote:
I finally arrived here in 1968. What a special day it was. I remember I arrived here with empty pockets but full of dreams, full of determination, full of desire.

The presidential campaign was in full swing. I remember watching the Nixon-Humphrey presidential race on TV. A friend of mine who spoke German and English translated for me. I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism, which I had just left.

But then I heard Nixon speak. Then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting the government off your back, lowering the taxes and strengthening the military.


The facts?

There was no presidential debate in that election. Nixon never debated Humphrey.

Gee it sure is a touching story, though, regardless of its truth.
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