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In a nutshell: why Islam is doomed

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 23 Nov, 2015 08:45 pm
@Tuna,
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If you've known grief, you know at least part of the story of the monsters you declare we must wipe from the face of the earth. They're your brothers and sisters.


Sorry but anyone who would sit a bomb down next to a young child in a crowd and then walk away is not my brother.

Anyone who would give his girlfriend who was carrying his child a suitcase containing a bomb to bring down an airliner in the name of his .god is not my brother.

Anyone who would cut the head off an aid worker who crime is aiding his or her fellowmen while being the wrong religion is not my brother.

Yes we all share our humanity with such evil beings but they are still not my brothers or sisters for that matter.

BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 23 Nov, 2015 08:54 pm
@Tuna,
This man is not my brother.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindawi_affair

On the morning of 17 April 1986, at Heathrow Airport in London, Israeli security guards working for El Al airlines found 1.5 kilograms (3.3 lb) of Semtex explosives in the bag of Anne-Marie Murphy, a five-month pregnant Irishwoman attempting to fly on a flight with 375 fellow passengers to Tel Aviv. In addition, a functioning calculator in the bag was found to be a timed triggering device. She claimed to be unaware of the contents, and that she had been given the bag by her fiancé, Nezar Hindawi, a Jordanian. Murphy maintained that Hindawi had sent her on the flight for the purpose of meeting his parents before marriage. A manhunt ensued, resulting in Hindawi's arrest the following day after he surrendered to police. Hindawi was found guilty by a British court in the Old Bailey and received 45 years imprisonment, believed to be the longest determinate, or fixed, criminal sentence in British history[1] (see also life sentence).
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Tuna
 
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Reply Mon 23 Nov, 2015 09:31 pm
@BillRM,
Horrendous fact number one: they are our relatives.

Horrendous fact number two: there's nothing you can do about it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 02:49 am
@BillRM,
Anyone who says that viewing child pornography is a victimless crime is someone devoid of humanity. Such a creature disgusts most people and such garbage should be wiped off the face of the Earth.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 05:48 am
@Tuna,
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Horrendous fact number two: there's nothing you can do about it.


Sure you can you can hunt such people down and killed them like the mad dogs they happen to be,
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 05:58 am
@izzythepush,
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Anyone who says that viewing child pornography is a victimless crime is someone devoid of humanity.


You need to go back to that lie once more?

As I said over and over and over such a crime should be punish at roughly the level that your repeat your UK lawmakers had set and not the crazy levels that the US laws demand. Levels in some cases that are more harsh then those who do sexually molest children directly.

Nor should teens sharing such pictures between themselves should had such laws apply to them as it is crazy that a couple who can legally have sex but can be marked for life as sexual criminals for having sexual pictures of each other!

You are a sad example of a human being yourself Izzy just not as bad as someone who is willing to blow up an airliner using a woman who is carrying your child to do so.

At least I do not think you are that evil.

Tuna
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 07:16 am
@BillRM,
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Sure you can you can hunt such people down and killed them like the mad dogs they happen to be,

Like I said. You get locked in. Back and forth, on and on.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/29/article-2031325-02FEEE740000044D-412_468x474.jpg
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 07:21 am
@Tuna,
As ISIS wish to enslave all non-Muslims in fact real slavery as in slave markets just to begin with we do not have must ground for doing anything other then killing them.

Here is an interesting article concerning them.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 07:30 am
@BillRM,
It's no lie, you've said it many a time. I don't think the people bombing aeroplanes are any worse than the IDF using white phosphorous on Palestinian children. 300 odd children killed in operation cast lead alone.

It's very easy to place all the blame on the terrorists whilst ignoring what the West did to create them in the first place. From the terrible way the map was drawn up by the British and French after WW1, right up to the CIA/MI5 coup d'état in Iran which overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a dictator, then there's the persecution and oppression of the Palestinian people supported and financed by the West and the propping up of friendly dictators just to keep cheap oil. Throughout this it was only radical Islam that spoke out against Western imperialism, we made sure all the moderate opponents were locked up or disappeared.

It's no wonder disaffected young people with a sense of righteous outrage looked to those who were actually doing something about it. You want to get rid of the mosquitos and not only keep the swamps in place but create some new ones. That's every bit as ridiculous as it sounds.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 08:43 am
@izzythepush,
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It's no lie, you've said it many a time


Keep lying.......
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 08:56 am
@izzythepush,
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It's no wonder disaffected young people with a sense of righteous outrage


Righteous outrage that called for them to cut the heads off of aid workers, or take women to be sexual slave for their fighters or killing even fellow Muslims who disagree with them or are of the wrong sect of Islam.

Perhaps you are indeed as evil as they are and should be on an MI5 watch list.

Oh you are so concern others do not support enough punishment for sexual misconduct toward children yet you can understand the luring of young female teens over the net to ran away from their families to become "wives" to those poor disaffected young men?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 09:49 am
@BillRM,
People who join cults do all sorts of things. Look at Charlie Manson. People who've known a lifetime of oppression do all sorts of things.

Your inability to empathise means you will never understand what's going on and will just make matters worse like George Bush.

And don't make the same mistake that you always do in thinking that understanding why people act in a certain way is the same as condoning it.

Your ignorance and stupidity are a perfect mix, like George Bush you do what the terrorists want.

Nonces like you should be locked up, you're the very personification of slobbering, stupid evil.
Tuna
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 11:27 am
@izzythepush,
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It's very easy to place all the blame on the terrorists whilst ignoring what the West did to create them in the first place.


Bill is pretty bloody-minded. That's clear. But here, you're also doing something that isn't right. You're shifting blame, or coming close to doing so.

It's morally wrong to do that, and it's illogical as well. If a terrorist can be made innocent by these means, then why not the West? Why does the buck stop there? Once it's rolling down through the ages, why does it have to stop anywhere?

Identify the crime and leave it there. Understanding how it happened is downstream from judgment. We explore that when we're trying to figure out how to address the problem in the long run.

Those of us who choke on words like "wipe them off the face of the earth" especially like looking at how it happened, but we shouldn't let that hold us back from condemnation. That does injustice to the victims.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 11:34 am
@Tuna,
Dear TUNA-BRAIN: Islam is not doomed. Half-Wits like you are...
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 11:56 am
@izzythepush,
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Your inability to empathise


I save all my empathize for the victims who are killed or who bodies are shatter for the rest of their lives and their families and love ones along with those who are being turn into slaves in the ISIS territories.

Strange that you have so must empathize for the killers and none for the victims and I do not care why they are mad dogs, just that they need to be kill as soon as possible.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 01:57 pm
@Tuna,
Shifting blame? From Islam yes. The people who carried out the bombing are to blame, not the millions of peaceful followers of a religion.

Trying to understand what's going on is what's needed if there's any chance of solving it.

At the end of the day Syria will remain an Arab Sunni Moslem majority country. Any settlement that does not acknowledge that and keeps Assad in power with create another IS in ten years time.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 01:59 pm
@BillRM,
In a nutshell that thinking is why you lost the Vietnam war and fucked up big time in Iraq.

When Monty took over command in Egypt he hung a picture of Rommel on his wall. He didn't think empathy was so stupid, and that's why he won.
Tuna
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 04:24 pm
@izzythepush,
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Shifting blame? From Islam yes. The people who carried out the bombing are to blame, not the millions of peaceful followers of a religion.

Trying to understand what's going on is what's needed if there's any chance of solving it.

At the end of the day Syria will remain an Arab Sunni Moslem majority country. Any settlement that does not acknowledge that and keeps Assad in power with create another IS in ten years time.

I think we're pretty much on the same page. I'm sensitive to what Hosni Mubarak warned prior to the invasion of Iraq: he said the area around Iraq has never known peace for very long, suggesting that it's not likely to be the site of a government with any longevity.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 04:44 pm
@izzythepush,
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When Monty took over command in Egypt he hung a picture of Rommel on his wall. He didn't think empathy was so stupid, and that's why he won.



That would be similar to Grant or Lee having pictures of each other due to the respect between them it had nothing at all to do with empathy and who in the hell could or would, beside such sick people as yourself, have empathy or respect for such murderers?

My empathy does not extend to men who would be proud of blowing up airliners with women or children or shooting up a theater full of innocent and defenseless people.

You have to be one sick person indeed to have any empathy for such murderers.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2015 11:21 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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When Monty took over command in Egypt he hung a picture of Rommel on his wall. He didn't think empathy was so stupid, and that's why he won.



That would be similar to Grant or Lee having pictures of each other due to the respect between them it had nothing at all to do with empathy and who in the hell could or would, beside such sick people as yourself, have empathy or respect for such murderers?

My empathy does not extend to men who would be proud of blowing up airliners with women or children or shooting up a theater full of innocent and defenseless people.

You have to be one sick person indeed to have any empathy for such murderers.



Sometimes you take my breath away. No one who is a realist ever pretends he can defeat a mortal enemy without understanding his enemy's strengths and weaknesses. I wish that being stupid would be painful because maybe then, people would endeavor to become educated and strive for a more critically inclined mind. I don't think you're stupid, you are just.........lazy. Bless your heart.




 

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