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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

My my so a criminal can not also be useful member of society even those he is a lawbreaker?

A research engineer, or a cancer doctor of a fire fighter are not useful if they had download illegal pictures? PS in all these cases I never was talking about direct child molesters

You can not be pull out of a life threatening fire by a fireman who had download such pictures, have a doctor cure you of cancer or enjoy the output of a top research engineer?

Yes indeed it we can catch and punish, to a sane degree and treat such people and therefore are able to not throw their training an ability away I am all for doing so.

Are you saying its ok to deal in kiddie porn as long as you have an important job?

How exactly would that work? Oh Doctor, thank you so much for lancing my boil, I don't have insurance but would you be interested in seeing a few filthy pictures of my niece being molested instead?

Does that strike you as a conversation between two pillars of the community?

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@glitterbag,

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re you saying its ok to deal in kiddie porn as long as you have an important job?

Where oh where did you did that nonsense from? Surely not my comments as once more I have no problem with punishing people who share such material just not to the degree that is done under US law.

There is no sane reason to place a Miami firefighter in prison for 25 years for only downloading such pictures.

In the UK he would had likely gotten a brief time in jail and be placed on a watch list for a few years not for life.

With all the costly in many ways harsh punishments we hand out in the US we still lead the UK and others nations in the number of people downloading this material so where oh where are we gaining anything by being so insane?

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@BillRM,

Sorry Bill, I labor under the notion that only truly sick people enjoy looking at pictures of children being molested. Im one of those crazy parents who want children to grow up without being abused by sad sacks who see little boys and girls as potential sex partners, or just tantalizing images to help them get their rocks off.

And you keep telling me its no big deal. We disagree

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@glitterbag,

Footnote a poll on the federal guideline for having child porn of US federal judges also found that a majority of them was of the opinion that the guidelines was too harsh for CP.

The last I look federal judges as a group are not known to be soft on crimes.

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@BillRM,

What about the laws on murderers, should they be given life sentences with a minimum tariff before being considered for parole, usually 30 years, but sometimes less?

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@glitterbag,

Well yes I am sure that such people have problems but that does not connected to harming children directly or that a far far better approach would lean on the public health system back by the courts order treatments and monitoring.

Now we also have the not so little problem that the law consider an 17 month old child the same as a 17 years old "child" as far as child porn is concern. An you do not need to be a child molester to consider a fully grown and functioning 17 years old female as a sexual object.

An of course charging older teenagers with either producing CP or having it for sharing naked pictures with their legal sexual partners.

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@izzythepush,

There is all kind of murders, and a cold blooded killing during a robbery is not the same as a murder in say the heat of the moment.

There need to be human commonsense involved in setting punishments for any crime.

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@BillRM,

Answer the question, life terms with minimum tariffs, yes or no? No capital punishment either.

Our system does take into account different types of murder only a few get whole life sentences meaning they're in for life. Most have a minimum tariff, and how long that is, is down to the judge.

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@izzythepush,

Sorry but we do not used the term "minimum tariffs" in the US criminal justice system that I am aware of.

So off hand I do not know what you are answering.

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@BillRM,

They are sent to prison with a minimum tariff which means the amount of time they must serve in prison. Once they've served a minimum tariff of say 10, 15, 20, years they can apply for parole. There's no guarantee they'll get it.

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@izzythepush,

We do have minimum sentences for some crimes and we also have a history of as a result fulling our prisons up for such things as minor drug crimes and those that suffer the most tend to be blacks.

My guess is now that the US prison industry is at risk of losing clients by the repeal of mandatory drug sentences they are looking at CP crimes to replace the inmates as they otherwise would need to start closing down prisons.

Now on the subject of capital crimes I can see life without parole or death as two choices to give a jury but overall I find that mandatory minimums had a very bad history in the US and give the government far too must power to blackmail the accused to take a plea bargains independent of guilt or innocent.

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@BillRM,

So you don't want of our penal system excepting the sentencing of sex offenders. That's why people think you're more than a bit creepy.

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@izzythepush,

Sorry but once more I have no problem with reasonable punishments for crimes, any type of crime, and once more I happen to agree with your law makers on the proper punishment for having CP.

So by your postings the bulk of your lawmakers are creepy in your eyes?

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Nobody, not even neighbors, had any clue this could happen, eh? Yeah, right:

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Senator: San Bernardino Shooter's Neighbor Admitted 2012 Plot

The neighbor and longtime friend of Syed Rizwan Farook, one of the San Bernardino shooters, admitted to law enforcement that he and Farook considered taking action as far back as 2012, but abandoned the plot, according Sen. James Risch.

“He has admitted that he and the deceased were planning to do an attack in 2012, and that they abandoned that because there had been some arrests immediately adjacent to that right in their area, in southern California probably by the counter terrorism people that really caused them to rethink it,” Risch, R-Idaho, told ABC News, echoing comments he made on CNN. “So they abandoned that and did not pursue that event.”

House Homeland Security Chairman Rep. Michael McCaul confirmed to ABC News that Farook was apparently contemplating jihadi terrorism in California as early as 2012, but said, “They got cold feet.”

http://abcnews.go.com/US/senator-san-bernardino-shooters-neighbor-admitted-2012-plot/story?id=35679709

"Radicalized" and plottin that **** for years.

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San Bernardino shooting: Farook tied to jihadist recruiter

The FBI believes Farook had ties to a group of jihadists in California who were arrested in 2012 for attempted to travel to Afghanistan to join al Qaeda.

Specifically, investigators are taking a new look at one of the four men who was arrested in the 2012 case, Sohiel Kabir. Kabir, who was convicted and sentenced to 25 years in prison, was the recruiter who helped radicalize others.

The 2012 probe happened in Riverside, California, not far from San Bernardino. Farook was in the social circle of Kabir, officials told CNN. The FBI initially investigated five men as part of the Riverside group. The fifth wasn't arrested and hasn't been identified.

Farook and Malik became radicalized years ago

Comey elaborated a bit on the conversations between Farook and Malik, where they talked to each other about jihad and martyrdom before they were married and before Malik immigrated to the United States.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/10/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Well yes I am sure that such people have problems but that does not connected to harming children directly or that a far far better approach would lean on the public health system back by the courts order treatments and monitoring.

([color=#00BF80] Problem, yeah its a problem, if i know you like looking at pictures of 'real' kiddy diddlers with 8 year olds, you won't ever be in the same room with young children, and your relatives will warn the others about creepy Uncle Bill, he can't keep his hands to himself. So, bottom line is you enjoy kiddy porn, you just don't want to go the trouble and expense to hire a pervert photographer. )
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Now we also have the not so little problem that the law consider an 17 month old child the same as a 17 years old "child" as far as child porn is concern. An you do not need to be a child molester to consider a fully grown and functioning 17 years old female as a sexual object.

Once again you are right, but it only means you are a creepy old guy who preys on girls, because you are a deviant. If you think other adults don't notice you salivating over their daughters who haven't even finished high school, you are so sadly mistaken. They can't vote, but you see them as sex toys, thats more than a little sick.

An of course charging older teenagers with either producing CP or having it for sharing naked pictures with their legal sexual partners.

Don't be too cocky, some young girls have been cautioned by their fathers about creepy guys like you. While you are testing out your old creepy approach, the other kids are making fun of you. You can't honestly think that all children are stupid, they catch your vibe, and they aint flattered. Most of those girls want a little more out of life than being ogled or worse by some guy, old enough to be their dad or grand dad. At best they feel sorry for you. Worst case, they will tell they dads, deal with that,Romeo.

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@glitterbag,

One other thing, I can't discuss this anymore with you, I feel soiled just typing to you. I need a shower and want to remember my dad, a man who made sure I had enough respect for myself not to become a victim of men like you. Even the guys who just want to look, are below contempt.

Please do not try to convince me you have a decent streak, just stop.

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@glitterbag,

Take note I report your post with your comments in quotes before you deleted it.

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@BillRM,

Report away, but there's a good reason why people find you disgusting. A very good one.

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@izzythepush,

People finding me disgusting is fine but not name calling or accusing me of being a pedophile for daring to agree with the majority of federal judges or you own damn lawmakers for that matter.

The US have a damn prison industry that have ten times the number of men behind bars by population then the UK.

Twenty years for a fireman who never directly harm one child is beyond insane.

But then we need to keep those prisons full even in a society with a falling crime rate and with doing away with long long sentences for minor drugs crimes.

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