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Turn on the Republican convention right now! Bush Sr.'s on!

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 04:41 pm
I take it Dookie your Comcast cable isn't providing CNN? What a joke... Just tune in KQED 9 for your news. That'll give you the fix you're looking for.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 04:48 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
need to watch films by Michael Moore and shows like the Daily Show with John Stewart to actually get anything that resembles REAL substantive news.
Shocked Laughing (Goes to make some popcorn)
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 04:52 pm
nimh wrote:
There was this part where Moore did the before/after thing on Iraq. Images of Iraq before the war: smiling, happy children, peaceful scenes.


I think you're over-reacting here.

I did not interpret the Iraqi children playing and riding their bicycles the day before Bush ordered the bombing as pastoral or bucolic (I would rather not use McCain's phrase 'oasis of peace' any more, as I consider it patently disingenuous).

I interpreted it as children doing what children do.

Right now there are Iranian boys and girls laughing and playing, just as there are North Korean children doing the same. We might likewise wonder what they have to be so happy about.

But children simply don't cower in fear or threat from death the same way grownups are conditioned to do (and FWIW I also believe Iraq adults surely felt some national defiance on the eave of the American invasion, their dislike of Saddam notwithstanding). It would have been a similar response to the way our government tells us to behave today.

'Go about your lives (Go shopping! Take your family to Disneyland!).'

I have a lot less problem with how Moore told his story than I do with the whole sordid tale itself (needless to say).

If you felt emotionally manipulated by it, well, that's a shame.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 04:56 pm
I heard an interview with an Iraqi who lives in Michigan say that himself and several Iraqi's he knew there were extremely upset with Moore and the way he portrayed pre-war Iraq.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 04:57 pm
dookiestix said--

Try some more facts next time Sofia, instead of accusing African Americans of being rascist against themselves, which is the most absurd bullshite I've ever heard.
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Blacks--racist against themselves...

You are correct. It is definitely the most absurd bullshit I've ever heard! How did you come up with it?
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 05:17 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
But of COURSE liberal in religious terms, because it is exactly those Islamic fundamentalist terms that drives the ideological and nepolitical beliefs of just about every country in the Middle East.

Ehm, so ... no, I dont get you. Yes, Saddam was a more murderous dictator than most in the region, but because he was not a fundamentalist Islamist dictator, Moore was reporting the, like, substantive news picture when he summarised his Iraq into a a few emo-snapshots of smiling children?

<shakes head>

Choosing between going to war against Iraq and leaving Saddam in power was a choice between two evils. In Moore's world, its a black/white choice between - well, happy smiling children and torn-apart bodies carried off by wailing widows. Right. Cheap shots.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 06:26 pm
The Florida Debacle

An explanation of the discrepancy for Nassau County is as follows:

In Nassau County, the board was accused of violating Florida law by adding votes from earlier tabulations that had been rejected by the board as illegal.

However, the facts as reported are as follows:

On election night, all the votes were counted, but during the machine recount, 218 ballots were accidentally separated from the rest, and not counted. As a result, Bush received 124 fewer votes and Gore received 73 fewer votes than on election night.

After the recount, the Nassau County Board supervisor discovered her mistake, and tried to correct it. Because the Supreme Court of Florida had held the date open for final certification until Sunday at 5:00 p.m., the Division of Elections informed the supervisor that she could revise the count to make it accurate.

The Board (2 Democrats and 1 Republican) voted unanimously to certify the original election night count - which included the 218 ballots - rather than the machine recount total (which mistakenly omitted those ballots).
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The following is the actual raw data from the Sun-Sentinel newspaper web site:
http://sun-sentinel.com/news/badvotes.htm

Presidential votes disqualified
in Florida

Updated at noon Wednesday, Nov. 15. --2.93-- percent of the ballots in Florida were disqualified from the presidential category. These ballots had one of two problems: no note for president or more than one vote for president. This is an increase from the 1996 presidential election, when --2.52-- percent were disqualified.
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The percentage shift was tiny, and understandable since so many first time voters had been thrown in to the mix. The Dems have a history of vote fraud. They called a bunch of people on Dem voter registration rolls in Palm Beach County, and told them people were being duped by butterfly ballots, and to complain that they hadn't understood the ballot--to get a revote.

These things were reported.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 06:30 pm
Bush just got the firefighter's endorsement.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 07:04 pm
PDiddie wrote:
A) Does anyone have an opinion on the Purple Heart Band-Aids that some delegates were wearing earlier in the week?

B)How about Jenna and Tonic and their vapid ten minutes in the national spotlight last night?

C)How about the AIDS protestors who got inside the Garden and interrupted Andy Card's speech today?

D)Or Alan Keyes' outrageous comments about Mary Cheney?


may i opine, pd.?

A) - typical. they don't seem to understand that the moderates have been trying to be halfway civilized. but most that i talk to are really getting tired of this penny ante crap. and when the poo interfaces with the rotary blade cooling device, the the rightwing bomb throwers are gonna cry like girlie men (HAH!). because, those guys can dish it out but they can't take it.

B) - they should have gotten high first.

C) - a for effort, not easy to get that liberal hornswagle into the fort knox of uptightness...

D) - what? it's alan keyes. i'm surprised he didn't advocate stoning her to death. along with all of her wierd friends Laughing

the key to understanding where the ultra right is coming from, imho, is the way that they constantly talk about their "tolerance" of things not of their beliefs. gee, thanks. that's really, really big of them.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 07:07 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Bush just got the firefighter's endorsement.


Which ones?

New York Firefighters Overwhelmingly Endorse Kerry
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:15 pm
Zell Miller is burying Kerry
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:17 pm
Deep
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:27 pm
Dick's got me laughing.
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:30 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Dick's got me laughing.


And I agree with him. Boy am I glad Zell Miller is on our side.
Boy was he pissed.... Laughing
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:40 pm
His speech was like sunlight to vampires. It ought to wake up the moderate/conservative Dems to see the "thing" they love is no longer their party.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:45 pm
Zell Miller is a Judas, a scumbag attack dog....wormtongue with loyalties to Saruman and ultimately Sauron. He is worthless human garbage.
My opinion.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:46 pm
Zell Miller is a Judas, a scumbag attack dog....wormtongue with loyalties to Saruman and ultimately Sauron. He is worthless human garbage.
My opinion.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:53 pm
DICK CHENEY ZINGERS:

Kerry has disagreed with other members of his party, but his most frequent disagreement is with himself.

Kerry sees two Americas, America sees two Kerrys.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:54 pm
John Kerry sees two Americas Shocked
That makes it mutual,
America sees two John Kerrys Laughing
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:55 pm
you beat me to it
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