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Deadly shooting on Oregon college campus

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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 03:14 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
It is unbelievable how people can turn facts into lies.

A Freedom Hater whining about people turning facts into lies....

Is that irony?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 03:20 am
http://www.a-human-right.com/solution2.jpg
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 04:27 am
@FBM,
Quote:
The second amendment is there. Period. We have that to deal with that. But how?

You could try and implement it, ie enlisting all those who want to own a gun in a mandatory (and well organized) state militia.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 04:33 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
You could try and implement it, ie enlisting all those who want to own a gun in a mandatory (and well organized) state militia.

Any member of such a militia would have the right to own and possess machine guns, grenades/grenade launchers, bazookas, and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. Sounds good to me.

But non-militia members would still have the right to carry handguns when they go about in public. Self defense is a right too.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 04:57 am
@oralloy,
Quote:

Any member of such a militia would have the right to own and possess machine guns, grenades/grenade launchers, bazookas, and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. Sounds good to me.


how do you arrive at that conclusion?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 04:59 am
@oralloy,
the "American way to keep crime at bay" doesnt seem to be working. Why arent we the safest country in the "civilized
world?
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 05:09 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
how do you arrive at that conclusion?

Those are the typical weapons of a modern militia.

A militia isn't about self defense against criminals. Militias are about being ready for serious combat.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 05:49 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
the "American way to keep crime at bay" doesnt seem to be working. Why arent we the safest country in the "civilized
world?


You do know that the overall US crime rate as well as the homicide rate had been dropping for decades and happen to be at a near 100 years low?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 06:11 am
@BillRM,
The crime rate has been dropping in almost every other country as well. Clearly guns isn't what is making the US safer and the US is not the safest country in the civilized world.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 06:26 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
The second amendment is there. Period. We have that to deal with that. But how?

You could try and implement it, ie enlisting all those who want to own a gun in a mandatory (and well organized) state militia.


That's not how it works.

BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 07:59 am
@parados,
Guns however is not making the US unsafe so get off the back of the legally owning firearms people and stop pretending that if firearms did not exist there would be less homicides including mass killings.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 08:08 am
@oralloy,
I dont think the second amendment has anything to do with technology. Youre argument that an RPG or a stinger missile is a firearm as envisoned by the founders is kinda lame.
Why didnt they mention parrot guns or cannon?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 08:14 am
@oralloy,
Quote:

A militia isn't about self defense against criminals. Militias are about being ready for serious combat.
Actually Madison had said that the "well armed militia" is the "Best way to protect a free country". He meant , the protection OF the Us govt, not protection AGAINST it.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 08:15 am
@farmerman,
farmerman sounds more and more like a government shill to me.

That is, he sounds ridiculous.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 08:18 am
@BillRM,
Quote:

Guns however is not making the US unsafe so get off the back of the legally owning firearms people and stop pretending that if firearms did not exist there would be less homicides including mass killings
.


Guns "are not"....

The facts of the per capita deaths by guns does not seem to back you up. You are only comparing the US stats against earlier US stats. When you compare the US to the rest of the civilized world , we are hopelessly mired in OVERKILL of our own citizens b y other citizens.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 08:19 am
@BillRM,
Wow. Do you want to present any other arguments I didn't make?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 08:24 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
I dont think the second amendment has anything to do with technology.

The Second Amendment was about ensuring that the militia would have access to the weapons that they would need in order to be effective.


farmerman wrote:
Youre argument that an RPG or a stinger missile is a firearm as envisoned by the founders is kinda lame.

Those are weapons that a modern militia will need in order to be an effective fighting force.


farmerman wrote:
Why didnt they mention parrot guns or cannon?

Cannon were crew-served weapons. Militiamen only owned their own personal weapons.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 08:42 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

The Second Amendment was about ensuring that the militia would have access to the weapons that they would need in order to be effective.

No, it was about ensuring that the people would have access to arms. Though the militia is made of people, not all people are in the militia and ALL people have the right to bear arms.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 08:49 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The Second Amendment was about ensuring that the militia would have access to the weapons that they would need in order to be effective.

No, it was about ensuring that the people would have access to arms. Though the militia is made of people, not all people are in the militia and ALL people have the right to bear arms.

There is a significant difference in the sort of weapons that people have the right to have however.

Non-militiamen have the right to have guns suitable for self defense.

Militiamen have the right to have shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2015 09:10 am
@oralloy,
Standing military should have standing military weapons. No one else needs them. A rifle/shotgun/pistol is all the fire arm a citizen has the right to. I've seen some of our militias and they certainly do not need access to missiles of any sort.
 

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