Deadly shooting on Oregon college campus

@izzythepush,

Yes indeed guns laws sure the hell work in Mexico for example and this does not off hand seems to related to some nut with a gun even if it too early to know for sure.

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

I have always advocated for a closer examination and understanding of the reasons behind the killings in order to reduce them.

What's to understand? Angry men, (and yes, it's pretty much always men,) who feel alienated from society, with a big chip on their shoulders, want to go out with a bang. And the easy availability of guns means they can do it without much difficulty.

We also have individuals like that, they don't go on shooting sprees because they can't get their hands on guns. It's that simple.

And, judging by the John Oliver report, our mental health provisions, though pretty crap, are significantly better than yours.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

From the first reports it seem more likely to be personal and related to drugs selling on campus.

So that makes it OK.

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@BillRM,

The reason they don't work is because they border America, and America floods Mexico with guns in return for narcotics.

As they say in Mexico, "So far from God, so close to the United States of America."

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@izzythepush,

The availability of guns is not what makes people crazy. If you can't see that mental health is the root of the problem, there is nothing more I can say to you about it.

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@Leadfoot,

The easy availability of guns is what enables them to go on shooting sprees.

If you have a genuine interest in mental health provision, as opposed to using it to avoid discussing the real issue, watch the John Oliver clip I posted. Here it is again.

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@izzythepush,

I'll watch the video next time I'm at a hotspot with enough bandwidth but I assure you I am serious about the mental health aspect. I don't mean the ineffective MH provisions now in effect or even the ones being proposed in gun legislation. I mean the broader subject of mental health. And yes, I think the U.S. is in worse shape there (than Europe) and getting worse but so is the world's population as a whole.

The reasons for that are a different subject for a different thread so I shall STFU on the subject for now.

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Wasn't someone saying that knifes/blade weapons aren't deadly?

http://www.wpbf.com/news/fight-over-dog-poop-leads-to-attack-neighbors-say/35714624

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@Baldimo,

Who said that?

The point, that clearly shot right over your head, is that guns kill more, and they kill more efficiently.

That's why you don't have regular news reports of mass stabbings, and those that do occur are less fatal that mass shootings.

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@Leadfoot,

Fair enough.

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@izzythepush,

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That's why you don't have regular news reports of mass stabbings, and those that do occur are less fatal that mass shooting

The news media is not as interest in reporting stabbings mass or otherwise but shootings and not even all shootings as when whole innocent families are wiped out in the inner city there is little reporting of the events.

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@izzythepush,

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The reason they don't work is because they border America, and America floods Mexico with guns in return for narcotics.

Sorry but a lot of the arms into Mexico come north from south american and when you are talking about a drug trade in the tens of billions it does not matter if the US share a border or not with Mexico.

The last I check we do not for example share a border with Columbia a country overrun with drug/guns driven violence.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico#Sources_of_weapons

AK rifle variants (semi-automatic) United States[8][84][85]
AK rifle variants (select-fire) Central America, South America, Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, South Asia, East Asia[86][87]
AR-15 rifle (semi-automatic) United States[8][88]
M16 rifle (select-fire) purportedly Vietnam[89]
Fragmentation grenades M61/M67/MK 2/K400 United States,[90][91][92][93][94][95][96] Central America, South Korea,[97] Spain, Soviet bloc, Guatemala,[98] Vietnam,[89] Unknown[98][99]
RPG-7 /M72 LAW / M203 Grenade launchers United States,[100] Asia, Central America/Guatemala,[98] North Korea[99][101][102][103]
Barrett M82 United States.[8][98][99][103][104][105][106][107]
M2 Carbine (select fire) Vietnam[89]

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@BillRM,

They don't even report on self defense shootings that take place. If the crook was the only one shot, then it doesn't rate above the news crawler at the bottom of the screen.

In another story, don't forget that the kid that shot up a bunch of people outside of a frat/sorority, stabbed and killed 3 people in an apt before going on his shooting spree. They never mention the 3 killed with a knife, just the ones shot with a gun.

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@izzythepush,

The only time people talk about increasing gun control is when someone goes on a killing spree. It isn't brought up in relation to "normal" crimes committed with guns; drug deals gone wrong, rape, hold ups, bank robberies or even straight up personal murder. It is only in connection with people going on shooting sprees and generally when it concerns schools getting shot up. These types of shootings are not done by people who are right in the head. They do indeed have mental problems and no amount of gun control is going to make them talk to someone or seek help to fix themselves.

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@Baldimo,

Given that the US is unlikely to change access to guns, what can be reasonably done to decrease shootings of this kind - with one proviso - no increase in gun access.

So - no decrease, no increase - same number of guns - same access. What will decrease murders in the US?

What did New York City do? is whatever happened there possible elsewhere?

http://www.ibtimes.com/murder-rate-increase-major-us-cities-homicides-spike-2015-2077139

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in 1993, when New York City experienced 2,200 homicides. The homicide rate there has plunged over the past 20 years. New York, which saw a 9 percent increase in murders so far this year compared to last, still has an enviably low homicide rate per capita and has seen 208 deaths so far this year.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34120247

and let's keep the old meme out of things

http://m.snopes.com/united-states-third-murders/

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@ehBeth,

So you want an answer but you limit the amount of answers that can be given. Why limit gun access? People who want to go on shooting spree's are targeting places guns are not allowed. Sure the shooting in Oregon was not in a gun free zone, but that is the perception of schools is it not? A majority of them are gun free zones even if a small percentage of them are not.

We could enforce the laws on the books and add a couple for good measure. If you are found guilty of committing a crime with a gun, you get an automatic 10 year sentence just for the gun, on top of the years you get for the actual crime. Actually put those in jail who break the laws, not give them a plea bargain like they did for the guy in Milwaukee.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/milwaukee-man-to-be-sentenced-on-gun-fraud-charge-b99560011z1-322283481.html

When it comes to mental health, we need to make it easier for friends and family to have someone evaluated for mental illness. The resources are there, people have to be able to use them for the people they care about. We already have cases of people/friends of kids who reported them for either things they talked about or internet messages they posted and those guys were stopped. We have to make sure that these things are not abused at the same time. Something like this can be used to ruin an innocent persons life because someone wants to hurt them. Take Izzy or Cobbler for instance. I can see them doing this to someone they don't like, as they have both already expressed a desire to see people on this site lose their jobs for things they say or believe. It wouldn't be difficult in this environment we live for people to abuse this for their own reasons. Have you ever heard the term "swating"?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Sorry but a lot of the arms into Mexico come north from south american and when you are talking about a drug trade in the tens of billions it does not matter if the US share a border or not with Mexico.

Yes. The only thing that Mexican gangs get from the US gun market are their FN-57 pistols. They get their automatic rifles from the Venezuelan government.

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Way to go, gun zealots. Another day, another three, that's 3, college shootings. That's all on you, NRA.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

The news media is not as interest in reporting stabbings mass or otherwise

Pathetic, a cop out. Not true.

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