Deadly shooting on Oregon college campus

New poll out from Morning Consult, in the wake of Roseburg mass murder.b Stricter gun control 55% no stricter 38%
Super majorities, including Republicans, for checks on privat gun sales and mental health, for a ational database of ALL gun sales, bans on assault weapons and large magazines. But only abou a quarter think Congress will actually do hat the public clearly wants. It's ulti,ately disastrous to political sareers to kep pissing off the pulic, and the gun zelots are WAY out of stp with America.

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@parados,

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Yes, one limitation being they can't kill 10 people in a minute.

They are also limited in that they can't kill 4 people running away from the knife wielder. Nor can they kill someone through a window or door.

The simple fact that you have denied from the beginning is that one person using a knife can't kill as many people as someone using a gun.

Most homicides are single killings, so the inability to kill en masse does not prevent knives from being an effective stand-in for guns.

And mass killings can be carried out using bombs.

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@saab,

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There is a small weakness in your graph of the US homicide rate.
We are here talking about guns and shooting, but homicide can be done in many other ways.

That is a strength, not a weakness. It allows the graph to reflect the minimal impact that gun availability has on homicide rates.

saab wrote:

Machineguns did not really exist before WW1 which means that such masacre could not have taken place then as now.

When was the last time we had a machinegun massacre?

saab wrote:

I would like to see a graph of US shooting homicide rate over a few decades.

How would that be relevant? Are people killed with guns "more dead" than people killed with knives?

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@MontereyJack,

The NRA will not allow you to violate our civil rights. Accept that reality and move on with your life.

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@MontereyJack,

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mental health, for a ational database of ALL gun sales, bans on assault weapons and large magazines.

An would any of the above had change/stop one of the mass shootings that had occur in the last few years?

Never a good idea to pass worthless feel good laws.

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@oralloy,

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And mass killings can be carried out using bombs.

An aircrafts and poisoning drugs and foods and god know what else someone will come up with in the future to do mass killings.

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@MontereyJack,

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Super majorities, including Republicans, for checks on privat gun sales and mental health, for a ational database of ALL gun sales, bans on assault weapons and large magazines.

Sorry it not that simple as the "guns nuts" tend to get up and go to the polls in far greater numbers then the anti-guns people.

We also tend to remember and target the ant-second amendment politicians over many election cycles.

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@neologist,

ignorance is a bliss...God rest they souls.

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@glitterbag,

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Mass shootings are defined as 4 or more killed, using this FBI criteria there have been 294 mass shooting so far in 2015. Obviously not all of these murders occur in schools, and I suppose it's pointless to provide the number of people massacred because this country worries more about unfettered access to guns than we do about small children and other people going to school or attending movies or just going to work or church.

doubtful

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Umpqua is the 294th mass shooting event in 2015, as defined by the website Shootingtracker.com, which chronicles them as an event in which four or more people are shot.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/01/obama-oregon-college-shooting-routine

Shot does not mean dead. Also It appears that you are miss reporting the alleged source of your information, as the number matches this website and I dont find where the FBI presents their version of the current numbers.

In short this seems to be another case of you trying to blow the bullshit by. You are most certainly not a reputable source. In the future please present evidence for your assertions.

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Anyone see Last Week Tonight With John Oliver? He pointed out how mental health is only spoken about when there's a mass shooting, and then as a smokescreen.

Less than 5% of shootings are carried out by the mentally ill, they're far more likely to be the victims of crime, and 50% of the people killed by police had mental health issues.

The real issue isn't mental health or knives, America's homicide rate is off the scale, and it's because of ridiculous gun control laws. That's what's different from other liberal democracies. All the sad inadequates who put their need to have a gun over children's lives are the real problem.

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@izzythepush,

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Less than 5% of shootings are carried out by the mentally ill,

Maybe, but the nut jobs do over half the ones we care about.

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@hawkeye10,

Not everybody is so dismissive of human life. You really couldn't get any lower if you tried.

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@izzythepush,

Let me see
One can plan to kill by running over someone. It is a bit complicated as it will be timecosuming to hit the right moment without a witness.
Knives - you have to get close and look the person in the eye - so to say. You have to know where to hit so it is a deadly wound.
Poison - where to get poison is the first question and how to do it if you do not live in the household of that person.
And few other ways, which all mostly means you have to get close to the person, they are time consuming or not really dependedly
Shooting is fastes, can be done from far away and you do not have to get close to the person.
It can be done by any coward in the world - so let us protect ourselves from these cowards and get rid of guns in the hands of a bunch of sheep.

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@saab,

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can be done from far away and you do not have to get close to the person.

Silly person..........

A bomb can be trigger by a cell phone from the other side of the planet for that matter.

Next most mass shootings are done up close and personal in any case and in the case of a handgun you can not be all that far from the victim or victims.

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@BillRM,

The only difference between America's high homicide rate and that of other liberal democracies is unfettered access to guns in the USA. If your ridiculous nonsense about knives were true the homicide rates would be the same. They're not.

So stop running away from the issue and deal with it.

How many children need to be shot in America to satisfy your pathetic need to be armed? What figure is too many?

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@saab,

saab wrote:

so let us protect ourselves from these cowards and get rid of guns in the hands of a bunch of sheep.

Sorry Mr. Freedom Hater, but the NRA won't let you abolish our freedom.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

The only difference between America's high homicide rate and that of other liberal democracies is unfettered access to guns in the USA.

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/OECD-and-Small-Arms-Survey.png

One I am not sold that the USA slightly elevated homicide rate is something that I should care about

Two your claim of correlation is very iffy

Three America is not going to dispose of almost 300 million guns. Lets try to maintain contact with reality OK?

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@hawkeye10,

Reality? Like the left being 'creamed' in Scotland. That sort of reality. Placing a dodgy graph with no link shows you're not capable of an honest debate. The facts are, the UK's homicide rate is 1 per 100,000, in the US it's 4.7. That is considerably higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

If you're having to compare yourselves to Brazil, Russia and Mexico you really have lot the plot. Mexico's homicide rate is down to America's love of illegal drugs, killed by American weapons, so really the two homicide rates should be added together.

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@izzythepush,

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The only difference between America's high homicide rate and that of other liberal democracies is unfettered access to guns in the USA

Wrong if you take away the homicide rate sadly driven by the black inner cities drug gangs our rate would indeed be similar to the EU nations.

That is similar but hardly as bad as what is driving the Mexican large homicide rate.

Oh once more the US homicide rate of the US is at roughly a 100 years low even if you would never know that by the news media.

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@hawkeye10,

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America is not going to dispose of almost 300 million guns. Lets try to maintain contact with reality OK?

There is sadly a great many people on this website that have little connection with reality.

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