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Deadly shooting on Oregon college campus

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2015 08:33 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
. CJ, I don't think you are capable of critical thinking


Let me stop you right there. Anyone who believes Islam is not the most serious problem the world as we know it has?

I see very little critical thinking considering the overwhelming evidence of the destruction and social turmoil they have caused. Evident, again, by their very relevant Holy book(unlike the Bible), and their actions not their demands or apologies.

And you learn how to read.


Quote:
I just don't like what you say




How the Hell is that an attack? Is all you can do is be offended? Get over it.



Look Skippy, its not anyone elses fault that you are easily confused. You must find it frightening and thats why you strike out blindly like a cat in duffel bag. When did the Oregon shooting become an issue on Islam? Do you have a sliver of understanding of my views on terrorism? You don't. It's pathetic to pretend your imaginary argument even involves anyone other than you. I sincerely hope you get the help you need. I don't derive any satisfaction telling stupid people how freeping stupid they really are so I'llbe putting you on ignore again. Not because you are formidable but because its not very noble to argue with a man of diminished capacity. My father would be disappointed and I agree with him. You simply are not equipped nor do you understand, I can take no pleasure exposing you as a moron. Have a wonderful life, you poor wounded birdbrain
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2015 08:40 pm
@glitterbag,
Doesn't change the facts. You and Alinsky lose.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 01:29 am
@glitterbag,
You're right, such opinions belong in the gutter, they don't need the dignity of a reply. Put it back on ignore.
OregonFlyBy
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 02:38 am
This is off topic, but anyone who responses with pink letters is clearly missing something... even for a lgbt friendly one
roger
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 02:42 am
@OregonFlyBy,
I agree. To bad you weren't here when OMG David was in his heyday. Lots of color, and font sizes galore.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 03:43 am
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Last week, a gunman killed nine people at a community college in Oregon. Several hours later, another man shot three in Florida. Only one made international news.

Walter "Buzz" Terhune was a Vietnam veteran who moved to Florida to care for his elderly parents. He loved kids, helping other veterans and participating in civic life in tiny Inglis, a commercial fishing town near Florida's west coast.

Terhune didn't know Otis Ray Bean, but that didn't stop the 68-year-old from coming to Bean's aid when he was shot across the street from where Terhune was getting cash at a bank.

The shooter then turned his weapon on Terhune, then his estranged wife, then himself.

"It was so like him to go to save somebody else," says Lea Terhune, Walter's sister. "Buzz would not run the other way."

Walter Terhune stumbled into what would turn out to be one of two mass killings in the US on 1 October. The first occurred several hours earlier, 3,000 miles away in Roseburg, Oregon, when a 26-year-old man opened fire inside a classroom at Umpqua Community College. He wounded dozens and killed at least nine people before he shot himself. Like many other Americans, Wendy Harvey was following the news from her home in Steamboat Spring, Colorado, when she got a call from a relative saying her uncle Buzzy had also been involved in a shooting. She was at home with her son at the time.

"It's a hard conversation to tell your six-year-old that his favourite uncle just got shot and killed," she says. "Oregon is going on and all of a sudden you hear from Florida that it's your uncle. It can happen to anyone."

Both incidents would be classified as "active shooter" incidents - defined as "an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people" - and also could both be considered "mass killings", defined by one federal statute as three or more people killed.

But Oregon has overshadowed what happened in Inglis, with no national media attention devoted to the latter. It is in part a matter of timing - Oregon happened first - and a matter of numbers. The Oregon shooting had more than three times as many casualties.

Still, says Harvey, this paints a disturbing portrait of gun violence in the US today.

"It's become such the norm," she says. "That's a sad state of affairs if someone kills three people and it's just not that big of a deal."



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34428946
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saab
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 04:12 am
Time to time the idea that teachers should have guns comes up.
How would that work out pratically?
1. A gun has to or should be so secured that no one else can get hold of it.
2. For me that means that even the teacher cannot get hold of that gun very fast.
3. A crazy person enters a room to shoot teacher and kids. Who will be his first target? The teacher of course who will be struggling with getting the gun out of the very secure place.
Just forbid guns in the hands of everybody.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 06:59 am
@BillRM,
Are you trying to prove that guns make terrible defense weapons?
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 07:10 am
Maybe the US should just look at other models of regulation that are more successful. For example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway
Quote:
Gun politics in Norway

Gun politics in Norway incorporates the political and regulatory aspects of firearms usage in the country. Citizens are allowed to keep firearms (most commonly for hunting and sports shooting). The acquisition and storage of guns is regulated by the state.

Regulation
Firearms in Norway are regulated by the Firearm Weapons Act,[1] with a new secondary law in effect 1 July 2009 providing more detailed regulation.[1] The act covers all firearms, air pressure weapons, and some "exotic arms" as the act defines. All weapons that would be regulated must have two things in common: they must eject a projectile mechanically and use some form of propellant to perform the ejection. The act includes military type weapons, flare guns and replicas that can "easily" be converted to working firearms. Guns owned and operated under the responsibility of the armed forces and the police are excepted from the civilian weapons act.[1]
The detailed interpretation of the law is laid out in another regulation.[2]
Suppressors are not regulated under Norwegian law, and may be purchased by anyone. Suppressors are also legal while hunting, and seen as a necessity for more comfortable shooting and to lower the environmental impact of noise.

Types of civilian-owned guns
Norway has a large population of hunters.[3] Semi-automatic and bolt action rifles, as well as shotguns, make up the better part of the guns in civilian homes. There is a total ban on automatic weapons for civilians, unless they fall into the collector category. Modification of semi-automatic guns into fully automatic without the consent of the police is a felony crime.
Handguns have some calibre restrictions. A Smith & Wesson Model 500, for example, is illegal due to its high power, but other, less powerful guns, are legal as they are used in sports shooting. Norway has a long tradition of high-end sports shooting competitions, especially rifle shooting. Each calibre must be used in some type of competition to be allowed. Also, there is a restriction on the number of weapons an owner can have for each calibre. For recreational shooters, only one gun is allowed in each calibre. For professional and semi-professional shooters, a spare gun is allowed. A recreational shooter is only allowed to own four different handguns. To obtain more, documentation on extensive involvement in sport shooting is needed.

Ownership
Gun ownership is restricted in Norway, unless one has officially documented a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self-defense, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency.
There are special rules for collectors of guns. They are exempt from many parts of the regulation, but, in turn, they must meet even more narrow qualifications. Collectors may purchase, but not fire without permission, all kinds of guns in their respective areas of interest, which they have defined in advance.
Ownership is regulated in paragraph 7,[1] and responsibility for issuing a gun ownership license is given to the police authority in the applicant's district.
Rifle and shotgun ownership permission can be given to "sober and responsible" persons 18 years or older. The applicant for the permission must document a need for the weapon. Two exceptions exist to this age qualification. Persons under the age of 18, but over 16 may apply for rifle or shotgun ownership licence with the consent of parents or guardian. For handguns, the lowest ownership age is 21 with no exceptions allowed. For inherited weapons, it is up to the local police chief to make a decision based on the individual facts of the case.
An applicant must have a clean police record in order to obtain an ownership license.

Obtaining a license
There are two ways of obtaining an ownership license in Norway. The most common is through the process of obtaining a hunting license, the other is through a sports shooting license.
For hunting[edit]
To obtain a hunting license, the applicant must complete a 30 hour, 9 session course and pass a written multiple choice exam. The course includes firearm theory, firearm training, wildlife theory, and environmental protection training.
Once the exam is passed, the applicant may enroll in the hunter registry and receive a hunting license. The membership must be renewed each year, through license payment. The hunting license is brought to the police station, where the applicant fills out an application for obtaining the proper firearm for his or her hunt. After evaluation, part of the application is sent back to the applicant if it was approved. Upon approval, the applicant can take the returned form to the store and purchase the firearm listed in the application.

For sports shooters
The qualification process for sporting is theoretically easier, but requires more time and practice. The applicant must enroll in a firearm safety course, lasting at least 9 hours. The course includes a written test, but is shorter than the hunting exam, as it only deals with firearm safety. Two thirds of the course are completed on the shooting range as practice. The passing of the test results in acceptance to the approved gun club, and a license for competition. However, while the hunters can obtain their firearm almost at once, sports shooters must prove their intentions to compete by actively training or competing in the gun club. This means regular attendance (at least 15 times) at gun club training over the course of six months. The applicant must use firearms owned by the club or borrowed at the range for this period. After six months, the applicant may apply for weapon ownership. The start license and a written recommendation from the gun club president are brought to the police station, and the competition class is filled out on the application. If approved, it will be returned to the applicant as with the hunter license.
In both cases, if the application is rejected, the applicant is allowed an explanation of the reason, and an appeal.

For competition shooters in DFS
For competitive shooters in Det frivillige Skyttervesen (DFS) you will need an active membership for 6 months, and limitations for membership is Norwegian Nationals only. There is training course for youth from age 8 and up to 18, for adults an introduction to safety and behavior on the range is given, no written exams are required. Active members can apply for rifles approved by DFS competitions such as Sauer 200 STR in caliber 6.5×55 Scan, 308 Win, and 22lr only, Other approved rifles is Krag-Jørgensen, Mauser M98, and other competition bolt action rifles in 22lr with trigger pull of 1.5kg

Guns in civilian ownership
The law for storage of firearms are strict.
For shotguns and rifles, the requirement given in the weapons act is to have the firearm, or a vital part of it, securely locked away. Generally, this means an approved gun safe, securely bolted to a non-removable part of the house. (A vital part is considered to be the bolt group—the bolt head will suffice—for rifles, the slide for pistols, or the barrel of a shotgun.)
The police are allowed to make a home inspection of the safe. An inspection must be announced more than 48 hours in advance, and the police are only allowed to see the safe and make sure it is legally installed.
Ammunition is generally only sold to persons with valid weapon license. However, if one is in possession of a legally unregistered shotgun bought before 1 April 1990, and is in the hunter registry, one can purchase shotgun ammunition. Without a special permit only 10,000 rounds of ammunition can be stored by a single person, or 15,000 rounds if 5,000 of them are 22LR or smaller calibre. Two kg of black powder may be stored in a separate building if the person has a license for a black-powder firearm.
Older rules stated that the ammunition must be locked away separately, but these rules were abandoned in the latest revision of the weapons act.

Transportation
The owner must always have a good reason to bring the weapon to a public place. Such reasons include transportation to a range or hunting area, transportation for repairs, or for maintenance and hobby activities.
During transportation, the weapon must be empty and concealed, but not worn on the body, and under the constant supervision of the owner. This applies equally to replicas, air guns and decommissioned firearms.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 09:35 am
@FBM,
Quote:
Maybe the US should just look at other models


Maybe the US should come up with it own solutions. We are a unique country and have been since our founding.

Norway has censored the press too. Right now ours is just biased. So no guns and no free press. No USA. And everyone keeps forgetting criminals do not follow laws, and the gun will always be available to them. That goes for any country.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 09:46 am
@parados,
Quote:
Are you trying to prove that guns make terrible defense weapons?


LOL so your idea/logic is that proving knives are a real threat to anyone ,even someone armed with a gun, who is 21 feet or less from the knife wielder means that guns are worthless?

No guns are not worthless as self defense weapons however like anything else they have their limitations.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 10:04 am
@BillRM,
Yes, one limitation being they can't kill 10 people in a minute.

They are also limited in that they can't kill 4 people running away from the knife wielder. Nor can they kill someone through a window or door.

The simple fact that you have denied from the beginning is that one person using a knife can't kill as many people as someone using a gun.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 10:12 am
@parados,
Quote:
The simple fact that you have denied from the beginning is that one person using a knife can't kill as many people as someone using a gun.


LOL where did I stated that a knife is the same as a firearm? Under certain conditions however it can be as deadly as a firearm or even more deadly.

In any case, just for amusement there was the case of a man with a sword in Japan that wiped out a small village one night all by himself.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 10:14 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You're right, such opinions belong in the gutter,


Living in Englandistan you should know all about gutters. Man up before you dare to criticize others.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 10:15 am
@BillRM,
Here is another example of a knife, a kitchen knife at that, being used in mass murders.

Quote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

]The attack[edit]
At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers.[2]
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 10:26 am
Quote:
Anti-theist Executes 3 Muslims in NC – Will This be called Random?

Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/02/anti-theist-executes-3-muslims-nc-will-called-random/#VgbtyDLF4iqUZCJe.99

Remember that? Obama spoke after that and said people should not be murdered because of their faith. Is there a difference here? Did we hear about gun control then?


How much more deadly hypocrisy do you need?


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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 10:28 am
@BillRM,
Here is another example of edge weapons being used in mass murders.

Quote:


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/

Lu Haiyan said the slaughter began while she and a friend were standing in the ticket hall of a Chinese train station.

"Suddenly, many people started running around crazily," she said on Tencent Weibo, a Chinese equivalent of Twitter. "We saw two people carrying big cleavers hacking whoever is in the way. They almost got to my back. Then I lost contact with (my friend) and I saw blood splashing in front of me."

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Members of a separatist group from Xinjiang, in northwest China, are believed to have carried out the assault, authorities said. The report referred to them as "terrorists."

Police said they killed at least four attackers and shot and wounded a female suspect. Authorities were searching for other suspects.

The killing spree came out of nowhere.

Map shows location of attack
Map shows location of attack
Luggage lies scattered inside the Kunming Railway Station in Kunming, the capital of southwest China's Yunnan Province, on Saturday, March 1, after an attack left at least 29 dead and more than 100 injured.
7 photos: Photos: Deadly China railway attack
Mass stabbing at Chinese rail station

Mass stabbing at Chinese rail station 01:13
Yang Haifei, a resident of Yunnan, told Xinhua he was buying a ticket when a group of people, most of them in black, rushed into the station with knives.

"I saw a person come straight at me with a long knife and I ran away with everyone," he said, adding that people who were slower were severely injured. "They just fell on the ground."

He said he sustained injuries to his chest and back.

Lu Haiyan said she ran to the main road.

"I ran to a restaurant already with a full crowd," she said. "The restaurant owner shut the door for quite some time before reopening it. Both my hands and legs are shaking."

Xinhua quoted a 50-year-old woman whose older husband was among those killed.

"Why are the terrorists so cruel?" said Chen Guizhen, holding her husband's bloodied ID card.

In the aftermath, postings on Sina Weibo, another Twitter-like social medium, showed local police patrolling the station, with bodies in blood lying on the ground. Chinese state TV showed investigators putting a knife with a blade at least 2 feet long into an evidence bag.

Mass knife attacks are not unprecedented in China. Some occurred in 2010 and 2012, but the attacks happened at schools and didn't appear to have political connections.

Chinese President Xi Jinping urged law enforcement "to investigate and solve the case and punish the terrorists in accordance with the law," according to Xinhua.

Xinhua said the Kunming railway station is one of the largest in southwest China.

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang asked local authorities to ensure safety at public places, Xinhua reported.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 10:32 am
@BillRM,
Quote:


http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/11/knives-kill-more-people-each-year-than-rifles-time-for-knife-control/

Knives Kill More People Each Year Than Rifles: Time For Knife Control?
NOVEMBER 11, 2014 By Sean Davis
According to crime statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), knives are consistently used to kill people far more often than rifles are used. And the numbers aren’t even close: five times as many murders were committed with knives than were committed with rifles last year.

The FBI statistics show that knives have been used as a murder weapon far more often than rifles — even those evil “assault weapons” we hear so much about — for quite a while. In 2013, knives or other cutting instruments were used to kill 1,490 victims. In contrast, rifles were the cause of death of 285 murder victims. Shotguns were used in 308 murders. In 2009, the ratio was very similar: knives were used in five times as many murders as rifles.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 11:31 am
@BillRM,
One instance in the entire world of a knife in the last 15 years where more than 5 were killed?

Meanwhile we have over 5 instances in the last 5 years in the US where guns killed 5 or more at a school.

You are still arguing that knives are just as dangerous while admitting they aren't.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 11:33 am
@BillRM,
Lovely misuse of the statistics. Unknown types of guns kill as many as knives. We have no way of knowing if all those are long guns or not.
 

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