Like conveniently not noticing that the cops could have confronted the boy verbally from a distance instead of bum rushing him and shooting him with no warning in a span of two seconds.L
An if the boy had killed a numbers of others including children with a real gun at that park while they was making a careful approach to him that would had just been too damn bad and no one would had then demanded the cops heads also?
Trollshit, pure and simple. Why don't we shoot all cops, you never know which one is on the pad.
Its not illegal to have a toy gun, dummy, unless you're black, right? Besides, dummy, Tamir was the ONLY kid in the park until his sister showed up after the shooting. She was 14 - don't worry - the cops left her handcuffed and laying on the winter cold ground.
No it is not illegal to own a toy gun even a toy gun that had been modify to look more like a real gun, however if an adult instead of the child himself had modify that toy to look more like a real gun and as a result the child playing with it had been killed that is the person who should be charge with negligent homicide.
No one either citizen or cop is under any moral or legal obligation to assume that when a object that can not be told from a real weapon is pointed at them it is instead a harmless toy.
No one either citizen or cop is under any moral or legal obligation to assume that when a object that can not be told from a real weapon is pointed at them it is instead a harmless toy.
Wrong, dummy. Ignoring the fact the kid NEVER pointed the toy at the cop in the first place, there wasn't even any time for him to point it.
Here's the video:
At what point did he point the gun at the cops?
Why do you hate the Constitution so much? What ever happened to presumption of innocence????????
Why weren't these guys stopped let alone shot downby cops?
Cops get to arrest you, they don't get to judge sentence and execute you. Unless you're black. That some racism for you right there.
Racism doesn't usually look like someone shouting slurs, it looks like people eagerly looking for a reason why a black kid deserved to die. - Lou Schumacher
Like pointing what could not be told from a real gun at a cop?
I think I know the answer, but I have to ask you anyway. Do you really believe that all other things remaining equal - in the exact same scenario - do you really believe that this cop would have shot and killed the kid if he had been white?
Cops get to defend themselves however and if there is reasonable believes that their life is in danger they have the right to used deadly force and that also apply to non-cops for that matter.
I had read that the toy had it markings removed that ID it as a toy but no where had a read who in the hell had removed that marking.
Was it the kid himself or someone else as once more if it was an adult that person is the only one that should be facing legal charges of any type.
do you really believe that this cop would have shot and killed the kid if he had been white?
Without a question and in the place of the cop I would not had care myself the color of the skin of anyone pointing what look like an deadly weapon at me.
do you really believe that this cop would have shot and killed the kid if he had been white?
Without a question and in the place of the cop I would not had care myself the color of the skin of anyone pointing what look like an deadly weapon at me.
In order to keep your argument going, you have to be ignoring the facts. The kid never pointed anything. The cop never had time to see any "markings" or "modifications" or he could have seen it was a toy.
They rolled up aggressively within a few feet, and shot that kid in about two seconds. I pray to God that this is reviewed again. The obvious truth is that this cop had decided to shoot to kill before ever arriving on the scene.
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BillRM
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 11:16 am
@bobsal u1553115,
A damn toy gun that could not be told from a real one thanks to someone removing it markings that Id it as a toy.
Aurora police officer not indicted in March slaying of unarmed black man
Source: The Denver Post
A white Aurora police officer will not be indicted in the fatal March shooting of an unarmed, 37-year-old black man, prosecutors said Wednesday.
An Arapahoe County grand jury declined to charge Paul Jerothe, a decorated tactical paramedic who was hailed as a hero for his actions during the 2012 Aurora theater shooting.
At the time of the shooting in March, Jerothe and other officers were trying to arrest Naeschylus Carter Vinzant, a parole absconder who was suspected in a domestic violence and robbery case days before.
Authorities had been warned Vinzant was a violent criminal with a history of threatening to shoot police.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The boy who removed the orange safety tip from an airsoft pellet gun before trading it to Tamir Rice told investigators he initially blamed himself for his friend's death.
Several months later, the boy said that he no longer believed it was "entirely his fault" when a Cleveland police officer Timothy Loehmann fatally shot Tamir on Nov. 22 outside Cudell Recreation Center.
The boy's interview was included in a 224-page investigative report released Saturday by the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office. The report details the Cuyahoga County Sheriff's Department's five-month investigation into the fatal shooting of Tamir that county prosecutors will now present to a grand jury.
Sheriff's Detective John Morgan interviewed the boy, whose name was redacted in the investigative report, on March 11 at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives offices in Independence.
The boy said he became best friends with Tamir shortly after moving into the neighborhood, about one year before Tamir's death.
The boy's father bought the pellet gun at an area Walmart. The boy removed the orange safety tip when he disassembled it to fix a malfunction; he was unable to replace the tip when he put it back together.
Tamir borrowed the pellet gun several times and once kept it overnight. Tamir traded a smartphone for the gun the day of the shooting.
The boy said he warned Tamir to be careful because the pellet gun "looked real." Tamir stored the gun in a backpack when the two arrived at the recreation center just after 11 a.m., but witnesses said they saw Tamir pointing the gun and shooting at car tires that afternoon.
Sheriff's Detective James McKay sought out the boy after hearing his Nov. 23, 2014 radio interview with WKSU reporter Kabir Bhatia. McKay contacted the station Feb. 13 to request a copy of the interview, any unpublished audio and an interview with Bhatia. The station provided the audio March 3 but Bhatia did not participate in an interview with sheriff's investigators.
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ossobuco
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Thu 31 Dec, 2015 02:06 pm
If anyone posted this before in this thead, I missed it, so, sorry.
It is by one of my favorite singers, also songwriter, by far, Tracy Chapman. Saw/heard her at the Santa Monica Civic now a long time ago. She is soooo good. It wasn't about BLM at the time, but the shoe fits re changing police culture, to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_Chapman
It not police culture that is in great need of change but the inner city culture of 80 to 90 percents out of wedlock births and with no fathers in the homes the result is male children joining gangs and getting into trouble with the so call justice system and of course fathering more out of wedlock children.
If their parents and before them their parents for a number of generations now going back the the 1950's to 1960 , that had been handing the short end of the stick to their own children.
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bobsal u1553115
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Fri 1 Jan, 2016 07:58 am
Los Angeles Deputy Shoots Partner, Blames Suspect; Both Kill Suspect in Retaliation (Warning)
Cop shoots other cop and makes victim look like the assailant. All caught on tape. Warning: Video is of a murder by two cops. Extremely disturbing.
A disturbing video emerged Friday showing two Los Angeles sheriff’s deputies killing a man after they had chased him for riding a bicycle while wearing headphones.
The incident took place more than a year ago with the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department initially telling the media that they shot and killed 23-year-old Noel Aguilar, a “known gang member,” after he pulled out a gun and shot a deputy.
But now a video shows the two deputies struggling to arrest Aguilar when one deputy pulls out his gun and shoots the second deputy before placing his gun back into its holster, then placing the blame on Aguilar.
“Where’s the gun?” Los Angeles sheriff’s deputy Jose Ruiz asked Aguilar seconds after his partner announced he had been shot.
“I don’t have any,” Aguilar said.
“I’ve been shot,” yelled Albert Murade for the second time.
“I didn’t shoot nobody,” responded Aguilar.
“I got shot in the stomach,” Murade continued.
“I didn’t shoot nobody,” Aguilar insisted.
Ruiz then pulled his gun back out and pointed it at Aguilar in an obvious attempt to shut him up.
“C’mon man, why you pulling a gun on me,” Aguilar asked.
Ruiz shoots him in the stomach, prompting Murade, who is already angry at having been shot, to fire three bullets into Aguilar’s back.
That sparks angry shouts of protest from witnesses, in English and in Spanish, saying Aguilar did nothing illegal.
“I’ve been shot,” Murade kept repeating now that the struggle was subsiding.
