oralloy
 
  0  
Thu 21 Apr, 2016 06:30 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I bet some folks are going to go nuts with the change in the twenty dollar bill.

Not I.

I was unhappy about the earlier proposal to ditch Hamilton, but as far as I'm concerned Jackson is guilty of Crimes Against Humanity for his treatment of Native Americans.
revelette2
 
  1  
Thu 21 Apr, 2016 06:39 pm
@oralloy,
Not to mention owning slaves which is more than likely the reason they put Tubman on the twenty dollar bill as a statement to slavery.

Not too surprisingly, Trump has an opinion which makes no sense.

Trump: Tubman on the $20 bill is 'pure political correctness'
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 21 Apr, 2016 07:23 pm
@oralloy,
You do know that Jackson using a pick up team of locals including pirates won the only major victory over top line British troops that was fresh from beating the forces of Napoleon?

As far as crimes against mankind is concern I wonder how we will all fare when judge by the morals standards that will exist two hundreds years in our future.
Lash
 
  1  
Thu 21 Apr, 2016 07:24 pm
@oralloy,
My (white) kids asked me what I thought about it today. I said, "It's about time." One said, "But now they (blacks) are complaining that it wasn't Martin Luther King." I said, "Maybe the next one will be."

They did not smile. (haha)

Isn't it time for girls to see a woman on their currency?

All in all, I approve Ms Tubman. Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 21 Apr, 2016 07:30 pm
@Lash,
This is how the bill will look like.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36096151
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hingehead
 
  4  
Thu 21 Apr, 2016 11:01 pm
@tony5732,
You could save time by just replying to every post "I am a fuckwit."
tony5732
 
  -2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 03:06 am
@hingehead,
You just got four thumbs up for saying the word "Fuckwit". There are some pretty dense people on A2K, and someone needs to shed a little light on what BLM really does/ is. It's not really that hard to figure out. Besides, don't you guys ever get tired of stroking each other fantasizing that BLM is some kind of great new movement, when it's really just another example of people liking people that look the same. Black Lives Matter, founded by a bunch of people with one color skin hating on a bunch of people with a different color skin. It's not even a little bit original. It's the same old stuff just a different skin color.
tony5732
 
  -1  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 03:52 am
@hingehead,
This is a really binary situation. There is only two colors. The "victim" is always going to be black, and the big bad cop is always going to be white as long as it's BLM telling the story. The actual victim, the one that was the victim before the cops even show up, is forgotten completely. That person getting robbed, beat, raped, etc would just be an extra number that would mess up BLM's whole operating system. Lets not mention THOSE people. Innocent bystanding mother fuckers.
hingehead
 
  4  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 07:23 am
@tony5732,
no situation is binary. And people who think they are binary... well to my mind, at my kindest, are lazy thinkers.
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hingehead
 
  5  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 07:33 am
@tony5732,
I assume I got four thumbs up, and one down, because people agreed (or disagreed) with my assessment of your posts. It wasn't because I said 'fuckwit' - I could have said 'toss pot', 'concrete thinker', 'hopelessly unempathic' or 'simplistic knee-jerking barrow pusher'.

I do love the reaction of the privileged to being put in the position of the underprivileged. It can be an epiphany, a pause for self reflection or a clarion call for denial.

You are so the latter.

It amazes me that people can be so in denial of an unjust reality that they attack, out of all proportion, the response to that unjust reality.

Still, you have plenty of company throughout history. None of it is remembered fondly.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 07:45 am
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9df51567aab1dffbcc5bd5ac60065a5d3efc02bc/c=72-44-1168-868&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2016/04/21/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635968495982156328-22.jpg
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 07:49 am
@revelette2,
There are certain things that shouldn't be privatized but are to a degree that is alarming. The two worst?

The military and corrections.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 07:52 am
@BillRM,
Bill, whites kill whites and blacks kill blacks at substantially the same rate. You are four times more likely to be killed by a white person as you are a black person.

Twist your cherry picked factoids anyway you wish, but your conclusions are deficient and partial.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 07:54 am
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/RogerR/2016/RogerR20160422_low.jpg
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 08:24 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
whites kill whites and blacks kill blacks at substantially the same rate


So the CDC.GOV site information is false or the government is lying ?

As I stated you are proving that you do not care about the lives of black young men by doing you best to cover up the large homicide rate being a black male subject you to in your late teens and early 20s.

All you care about it would seems is being anti-law enforcement.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 08:31 am
@BillRM,
You better reread your statistics: the fact is that blacks kill blacks and whites kill whites at about the same rate regardless what the total numbers are from each group.

Why are you so dense you can't recognize that?
snood
 
  4  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 08:35 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

You better reread your statistics: the fact is that blacks kill blacks and whites kill whites at about the same rate regardless what the total numbers are from each group.

Why are you so dense you can't recognize that?

Because he and his ilk can't give up any tropes that have blacks as somehow inferior. If they have nothing to point to as proof that blacks are inferior, much of their whole raison d'etre disintegrates.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 09:01 am
@snood,
Why he can't see that what drives black youth to murder is poverty, marginalization, purposely degraded schools (blacks don't do that: the whites in power do that), lack of opportunity.

Any group subjected to that does exactly the same thing: they predate their own. The Chinese and Vietnamese gangs are doing it now. The Italians did it, the Jewish it, the Irish did it. The difference is that the other groups had a chance to be upwardly mobile. When Black Americans started moving up the Jim Crow laws of the Teens and Twenties occurred and buried the emerging black middle class, by law and violence. Whites initiated race riots all over the US and burned out black populations and forced them to "move on". Its a dirty, dirty history that's been buried in shame but the proof is there.

It happened here in Texas, too. As well as Florida, Oklahoma, California and other states and hundreds of black lives were lost, and very, very few white lives were taken.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 09:06 am
@snood,
LOL so the hard numbers given by the CDC should ignore?

The CDC is control by KKK members is that your theory?

By the way where had I stated that blacks are less then anyone else?

Quote:


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6001a14.htm

During 2007, homicide rates were highest among persons aged 15--34 years, and the overall unadjusted rate for males was approximately 4 times that of females (9.8 versus 2.5 deaths per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 1). Unadjusted homicide rates were highest among blacks (23.1 deaths per 100,000), followed by AI/ANs (7.8) and Hispanics (7.6), then whites (2.7) and A/PIs (2.4) (Table 1).
Additional analyses by age, race/ethnicity, and sex revealed that black males aged 15--34 years were at greatest risk for death by homicide (Table 2). Based on the available data, black females also had the highest homicide rates compared with females in other racial/ethnic groups within each age category, with the exception of women aged 30--49 years (Table 2). Within this age group, a statistical difference between the rates of black and AI/AN women could not be determined. Both rates were significantly higher than those of white, Hispanic, and A/PI women. (All comparisons were significant at the p<0.05 level.)
During the 9-year study period, trend analyses revealed that the age-adjusted homicide rates increased for blacks and decreased for Hispanics and A/PIs (p<0.05) (Figure). Furthermore, trend analyses revealed that the between-group differences in the modeled age-adjusted homicide rates for blacks versus AI/ANs, blacks versus A/PIs, and blacks versus Hispanics increased over the 9-year period (p<0.05). However, these changes were slight and likely detected because large populations were analyzed. Age-adjusted homicide rates were consistently highest among blacks, ranging from 20.6 to 22.4 deaths per 100,000 persons (Figure). Each year, the rate among blacks was approximately 2--3 times higher than among AI/ANs and Hispanics and at least 5 times higher than A/PIs and whites.
Similar to previous findings, results of this study indicate that homicide disparities by age, race/ethnicity, and sex are evident (2,3,5), and the homicide rate is particularly high among young black males (2,3). Individual factors (e.g., employment status) and socioeconomic factors (e.g., poverty and economic inequality) play critical roles in racial/ethnic disparities in homicide (9). For example, persons of a minority race are more likely than those of other racial/ethnic backgrounds to be unemployed and to live in economically impoverished residential areas; both factors are associated with a higher homicide risk (9).
Among females, blacks had higher homicide rates than other racial/ethnic groups; however, AI/AN women aged 30--49 years also had high rates. These findings indicate heightened risk for females during adulthood, which might be indicative of intimate partner--related homicide. These findings also are consistent with a study that reported high rates of intimate partner-related homicide among black women aged 20--39 years (10) and another study that estimated that one third (30.7%) of AI/AN women aged ≥18 years had been physically assaulted by an intimate partner in their lifetime (11).
Although the 1999--2007 homicide rates were highest among blacks, their rate for 2007 represents a substantial decrease compared with the early 1990s. In 1991, the homicide rate among non-Hispanic blacks peaked at 38 deaths per 100,000 population (1), which was nearly twice the rate reported in 2007. Similar decreases from the early 1990s to the mid-2000s were observed among the other racial/ethnic minorities (1).
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snood
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 09:09 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Why he can't see that what drives black youth to murder is poverty, marginalization, purposely degraded schools (blacks don't do that: the whites in power do that), lack of opportunity.

Any group subjected to that does exactly the same thing: they predate their own. The Chinese and Vietnamese gangs are doing it now. The Italians did it, the Jewish it, the Irish did it. The difference is that the other groups had a chance to be upwardly mobile. When Black Americans started moving up the Jim Crow laws of the Teens and Twenties occurred and buried the emerging black middle class, by law and violence. Whites initiated race riots all over the US and burned out black populations and forced them to "move on". Its a dirty, dirty history that's been buried in shame but the proof is there.

It happened here in Texas, too. As well as Florida, Oklahoma, California and other states and hundreds of black lives were lost, and very, very few white lives were taken.

It isn't that they can't see it. It's that a lot of their self image depends on them not seeing it. The will die before they give up their illusion of white superiority. Again - if they can't constantly point to 'evidence' that blacks are somehow inferior (prone to violence, less intelligent, criminal, beastly) to whites, they would lose a lot of what animates them in life. Can you see that?
 

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