Poll: over 40% of Canadian teens think America is "evil"

And before that happens, would you kindly answer my question(s), why Denmark is in your opinion in the same line, McGentrix?

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Ok, I meant the Netherlands... In my rush to post yesterday, I typed Denmark instead of the Netherlands. (Someone had mentioned Dutch people). OK? I didn't think it was going to be such a big deal Walter. I didn't realize that by mentioning Denmark I was going to be hounded about it.

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Well, Netherlands isn't that different to Denmark: they have been most vocal in its support of the USA:

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The Netherlands supports the global coalition against terrorism with leadership, personnel and material, including the deployment of troops to Iraq and Afghanistan.

source: U.S. Department of State

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Ah, all those Europeans are the same, anyway.

Ungrateful bunch.

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I cant tell how much Karzak and Walter made me laugh with their Google lunacy ... lol

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Rick d'Israeli wrote:

Canadian teens are not the only teens thinking this way. Although I don't have a link, there was an inquiry on Dutch teens what they feared the most - what conflict or which person they considered to be a big danger to the world. The top three (I don't know in what order though) was George W. Bush, Israel/Palestine and Muslim terrorists. In an EU inquiry the EU citizens found Israel (1) and America (2) the most dangerous countries in the world.

Take it up with Rick. He brought the Dutch into the fold.

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McGentrix wrote:

These are the reasons we should pull our military out of countries that do not want us there. Let Denmark and Canada defend themselves, as well as every other country that relies on the US for their freedoms. Let them realize just who the real bad guys in the world are.

Among a lenghthening list of breathtakingly idiotic assessments, this deserves the top spot. We don't defend Canada. In our own interest, and purely in our own interest, we bullied Canada after the Second World War, to leave the British Commonwealth military sphere, and enter our military sphere. Then we immediately set up the DEW line--the defense early warning system. Our military contribution to Canada is to have pressured a sovereign nation to allow us to set up installations on their territory to track the trajectories of Russian ICBM's, if they ever "came over the top." The system doesn't even function to give Canada sufficient warning to take civil defense measures.

Your avatar is most appropriate, McG, as it depicts someone clueless . . .

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We don't defend Canada.

Yeah, right. Have anymore BS you want to spread around? Maybe the more fertilizer you use, the prettier your flowers will be.

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You're a piece of work . . . precisely from whom or what do we defend Canada? With what military assets do we defend them? You love to shoot your mouth off, McG, but, as usual, you are short on facts.

As for that egregious insult to the Canadian Navy: In the second world war, the Canadian Navy escorted more convoys to Europe than the United States Navy and the Royal Navy combined. This despite the fact that the Royal Navy appopriated the most efficient Canadian destroyers, officers and crew included, and then ridiculed the Canadians for having few "kills" of U-boats.

The Canadians ressurected the frigate, and created a destoyer-like ship which was small, faster, and dedicated in design to anti-submarine patrol. This became crucial in the Cold War era, and, in fact the Canadian Navy had a more important role in anti-submarine patrol for the east coast of North America than did the U.S. Navy. So, in fact, the Canadians have been defending our coasts for two generations. They are the premiere anti-submarine navy in the world, with only the Swedes able to argue that they have more experience in tracking Russian submarines.

During the first Gulf War, because of a communications and command control package second to none, the Canadian Navy was given command of and responsibility for sea-borne logistics in the Persian Gulf. When an American cruiser ran aground off the Iraqi coast near Basra, the Canadians came to the rescue--the Canadian frigates could operate in the shallow coastal waters where American ships don't dare follow (and where the American cruiser had no business in the first place), and their support ships were able to tow the American cruiser off into deeper water.

As usual, McG demonstrates that profound ignorance is no bar to expressing hostile and sneering opinions.

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and as usual, Setanta uses a bunch of smoke and mirrors to create a point from a dull spoon.

You can believe what you want, but the US will always have Canada's back. What percentage of the GDP did Canada spend on defense last year? Why is that? Why is Canada able to spend it's revenue on such luxuries as socialized medicine?

Now, Don't think for a minute that I hold any ill-will towards Canada, it's a great country and it's full of great people. It just gets me down a bit when some Canadians forget their place.

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Our place is that we don't need to spend a whole whack on defense because we don't go out empire building McG.

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Don't confuse him with the facts, Boss . . .

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Empire building.... that's rich!

It's ok, though, you can sleep peacefully at night knowing the US will keep you safe and snug. If that bothers you, well, nothing much I can do about that, but I wouldn't let it bother you too much.

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U.S. defense arrangements with Canada are more extensive than with any other country. The Permanent Joint Board on Defense, established in 1940, provides policy-level consultation on bilateral defense matters. The United States and Canada share NATO mutual security commitments. In addition, U.S. and Canadian military forces have cooperated since 1958 on continental air defense within the framework of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). The military response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 both tested and strengthened military cooperation between the United States and Canada. In December 2002, the two countries established a Binational Planning Group to develop joint plans for maritime and land defense and for military support to civil authorities in times of emergency. Since 2002, Canada has participated in joint military actions in Afghanistan and, in early 2004, Canada assumed command of the International Security and Assistance Forces (ISAF) in Kabul. Canada has also contributed to stabilization efforts in Haiti, including by deploying over 500 Canadian troops.

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McGentrix wrote:

Why is that? Why is Canada able to spend it's revenue on such luxuries as socialized medicine?

Higher taxes? Its citizens consider it important enough to pay a little more for it?

So, to return from the diversion of yet another nonsequitur, who did the US ever defend Canada against?

My only guess would have been - the Soviet Union, in the Cold War. After all, before that Canada was well able to keep its own trousers up - hell, they even had time left to liberate countries like mine in the Second World War. After that - well, who exactly is the US defending Canada from? How?

Like I said, my only bet would have been, the US probably defended Canada from potential Soviet attacks - but then, there's what Set wrote about that here:

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Our military contribution to Canada is to have pressured a sovereign nation to allow us to set up installations on their territory to track the trajectories of Russian ICBM's, if they ever "came over the top." The system doesn't even function to give Canada sufficient warning to take civil defense measures.

Do you have, like, some different info about it?

Or is what you're saying more like, well, the US never actually did defend Canada from anything, and is not actually now defending Canada from anything, but if there were something to defend Canada from we would do it - and that's why they should not stray from "their place" by doing stuff like, well, saying that what we do in Iraq is wrong!

Hhmmmm .... We should write out a prize for the best nonsequiturs on this board ... Razz

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He's resolutely ignoring the question of from whom or what we defend them, Habibi, so i doubt you'll get a response. You know, the Burmese really hate Canadians . . . yeah, that must be it, we're preventing an amphibious invasion by Myanmar. Those ungrateful Canuck dogs . . .

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McGentrix wrote:

U.S. defense arrangements with Canada are more extensive than with any other country. The Permanent Joint Board on Defense, established in 1940, provides policy-level consultation on bilateral defense matters. The United States and Canada share NATO mutual security commitments. In addition, U.S. and Canadian military forces have cooperated since 1958 on continental air defense within the framework of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). The military response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 both tested and strengthened military cooperation between the United States and Canada. In December 2002, the two countries established a Binational Planning Group to develop joint plans for maritime and land defense and for military support to civil authorities in times of emergency. Since 2002, Canada has participated in joint military actions in Afghanistan and, in early 2004, Canada assumed command of the International Security and Assistance Forces (ISAF) in Kabul. Canada has also contributed to stabilization efforts in Haiti, including by deploying over 500 Canadian troops.

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LOL, great! You just threw your own argument over now, didn't you?

Your argument: Canada is not able to defend itself, what with their tiny defence budget, and thats why it relies on us to have their back - and thats why they shouldnt act all ungrateful.

But lo and behold ... here's a post underlining a military relationship that involves a significant Canadian deployment even in interventions across the world - hell, they're even covering for you over in Afghanistan, assuming ISAF command after you started a war there but then ran off to the next target over in Baghdad. No sign, in this description of a long-standing mutual collaboration, of the country not even being able to defend itself - instead, it looks like you people got as much to thank Canada for as vice versa!

<shakes head, grins>

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The Mexicans mostly. If not for the US standing between the Mighty Mexican armies and the innocent Canadians, most Canadians would be eating taco's and hitting pinata's instead of pucks.

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Mexican cuisine is not well known, at least in my experience, in the Great White North. But the taco joint in the food court at Eaton Centre sure had great prices . . .

You don't suppose the Mexicanos have been infiltrating, do you, McG . . .

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Hmmm ... if they'd carve up the US amongst themselves ... Mexico up to south of SF and out to Denver and Memphis, and everything north and west to the Canadians ... not such a bad idea.

We still wouldnt have to worry about our security - the Canadians saved our ass back in WW2 as well. And we'd be spared a lot of the other hassle ...

Only Q: what to do with all those Americans?

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