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Poll: over 40% of Canadian teens think America is "evil"

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 09:39 am
Adrian wrote:
40% of Canadian teenagers STILL think you're evil. Twisted Evil

Maybe so; but our teenagers STILL think them lil hosers are gay, eh!

I don't know how accurate that 500,000 number is either, but considering money literally pumps from the ground in that region it's possible the monster would have shared a little more had they not been restricted.

500,000 is a good year in NK. Sad
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 03:19 pm
And now a word about those Canadian teens hating Americans from our liberal friends' favorite talking head: Bill O'Reilly:

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Hating America
Friday, July 09, 2004
By Bill O'Reilly
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 03:51 pm
Bill O'Reilly...Preachin' the truth! Hallalujah!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 04:00 pm
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The US and others invaded Iraq because (almost) everybody in the free world in the current and previous administrations believed he had WMD and would use them.


I think that your post above was awesome, Fox. But your all reasoning lies upon the above quote for justification, and it ignores the fact that it wasn't 'almost everybody' who believed that Iraq had WMD and would use them.

There were many, many, many people who disagreed. I was one of them. The UN weapons inspectors were some of them. The US weapons inspectors were some of them. Many citizens of this country and other foreign countries, and many governements of foreign countries, did not believe this.

And we tried to tell you at the time. It didn't make a difference.

And I understand our alphabet agencies were telling us information as well. But, it's only half the story -

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But the report, he said, would paint "only half the picture" because it wouldn't examine "the central issue of the administration's exaggerations of the intelligence that was provided to them."


"As the Intelligence Committee report to be released tomorrow will indicate, the CIA intelligence was way off, full of exaggerations and errors, mainly on weapons of mass destruction," Levin said. "But it was Vice President Cheney along with other policymakers who exaggerated the Iraq-al-Qaida relationship."


www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/09/senate.intelligence/index.html

We (the people who didn't believe there was an imminent WMD threat in Iraq) knew they were lying back then, we know it now.

This throws the entire operation Iraqi Freedom into a dangerous moral quandry.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 04:07 pm
Cyclo, (almost) every member of the Clinton administration, the Bush administration, Congress, including John Kerry, member of NATO and the UN believed Saddam had WMD. Whatever facts anybody turns up now, at the time we invaded Iraq, (almost) everybody with any authority believed he had them.

You can post subsequent data until you are blue in the face, but it just won't change that fact. I can put up - again - all the quotes from Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and many many others stating that Saddam had WMD. I can post - again - the letter signed by Kerry and many other Democrats demanding the administration do something about it.

I don't care what they discover now. Those who believed it then believed it with the best information available. You simply cannot honorably condemn Bush on this issue unless you're willing to condemn them all.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 04:12 pm
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Cyclo, (almost) every member of the Clinton administration, the Bush administration, Congress, including John Kerry, member of NATO and the UN believed Saddam had WMD. Whatever facts anybody turns up now, at the time we invaded Iraq, (almost) everybody with any authority believed he had them.

You can post subsequent data until you are blue in the face, but it just won't change that fact.


Well, you see, it's not that simple.

It's not just about whether or not we believed he had them at some point. It's about whether or not we believed that he was an imminent threat, and one that was SO imminent that we could not wait, even a few months, for the UN to finish it's searches. Remember?

I'm only willing to condemn those who decided that the information was worth killing people over. And those that deserve the MOST blame are those at the top, who exaggerated this threat to the American people in order to garner support for a pre-emptive strike on a foreign country.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 04:20 pm
I will agree that whether he was an imminent threat is a legitimate debate. And I don't think everybody will ever agree whether the invasion was justified based on the level of threat. My position on that is that the U.S. and Britian deemed it justified and did it and we now have troops on the ground there. So we support and defend them until we can bring them home. Once the Iraqis and the Brits and the Americans are no longer at risk, there will be time enough to do the post mortums.

A few weeks ago, I posted a column byWilliam Raspberry, my favorite liberal Pulitzer prize winning writer, who addressed that issue titled "We Didn't Dare Wait". He spelled it out far more eloguently than I ever could.

And I do believe with all my heart whatever mistakes have been made, the end result will be that things will be better for Iraq, better for the Middle East, and one primary cell of terrorism will have been removed as a threat to us.

(Edited to correct a mistake in context)
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 04:24 pm
The problem with your logic Cyclo is you are not differentiating between WMD and "imminent WMD threat". Sight always improves when looking behind you.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 04:51 pm
Whatever they thought was in Iraq, I still believe that there is a very real imminent threat in America from Widespread McDonalds.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 04:53 pm
Somebody said once that nobody with a McDonalds ever started a war. I favor putting McDonalds everywhere!
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 04:54 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Somebody said once that nobody with a McDonalds ever started a war. I favor putting McDonalds everywhere!


Of course not. Every country with a Mickey D's was a black-ops "pre-emptive strike." Razz
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 05:07 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Somebody said once that nobody with a McDonalds ever started a war. I favor putting McDonalds everywhere!


Yeah, you said that once here on A2K. It remains as untrue as ever.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 05:13 pm
Well I don't know of any countries with a McDonalds who have started wars, but I won't say it hasn't happened somewhere. Do you know of any specifically Craven? And if you say that we did, I will say that we were the ones attacked, not the one who started the War on Terrorism.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 05:26 pm
I won't try to argue with ya Fox, you are making up your own rules (e.g. it's a bit of a stretch to say we did not initiate a war against Iraq just now).

Not worth arguing with those types of positions. <shrugs>
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 05:33 pm
I don't make up rules any more than you do Craven.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 05:42 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Well I don't know of any countries with a McDonalds who have started wars, but I won't say it hasn't happened somewhere. Do you know of any specifically Craven?


I sincerely thought you were joking. http://www.bigpicturesmallworld.com/Global%20Inc%202/pgs/repcorp/mcd/mcds.html I suppose that England, Germany and Japan never started any wars, just as a primer. Oh, maybe you will spin-doctor this and say that since they have had McDonald's, they haven't started any wars. Rolling Eyes
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 05:47 pm
Well yeah. I don't think there were any McDonalds in Europe until at least mid-century; probably much later. So if a war mongering country didn't have a McDonald's before, it doesn't count until they get their McDonalds. And I was kidding. It's just Craven who has no sense of humor. Smile
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 05:51 pm
Just making sure there, fox. Wink
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 06:40 pm
If they have MacDonalds, they're all too fat and are sitting on the couch instead of starting wars.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 06:45 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
If they have MacDonalds, they're all too fat and are sitting on the couch instead of starting wars.


Who can start wars while battling blood sugar spikes and clogged arteries?
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