Poll: over 40% of Canadian teens think America is "evil"

So, because Canada has never been invaded or attacked directly it doesn't and hasn't been protected by the US?

This nonsense about not being attacked adds no validity to any arguement made here.

Well since Montana sort of faded back, the surge of testosterone in this thread is awesome. I haven't seen such a display of mine is bigger than yours since the last national sex scandal.

Americans get their prescriptions from Canada because Canada does less research, is less litigious, and therefore can sell many of their drugs at a much lower rate than can American pharmaceutical companies. Canadians come to the U.S. for many health related procedures because socialized medicine does have its drawbacks and the American system has its advantages.

Both countries have invested much blood and treasure both as adversaries and as allies in their respective histories.

Maybe Canada has not had to worry about ambitious aggressive countries because the U.S. is watching its back. Perhaps the U.S. has been spared invasion from the north because Canada is watching ours.

Canadians might have a very different perspective about Canadian/U.S. diplomacy if 9/11 had happened in Montreal and Quebec instead of New York City and Washington DC. We will see how the feelings run the day Canada asks for assistance and we refuse it.

To condemn the U.S. for thousands of innocent Iraqi deaths is to ignore the 300,000 innocent Iraqi deaths at the order/consent of Saddam - 300,000 by our account. A million or more according to at least one Iraqi spokesperson.

Wherever large scale disaster happens in the world whether by fire or flood or earthquake or famine, American dollars, food, medicine, rescue and medical teams are there. Perhaps Canadian resources are there as well. If Canada had a large scale devastating disaster, there is no question the outpouring of hands on and material support from the U.S. would be immediate and massive.

I think its pretty silly for next door neighbors to be quarreling over ideology. I think good natured jibes are fine. (Including the boat picture - I laughed out loud - sorry Canadian friends.)

Okay, that's it. Carry on.

Americans get their prescriptions from Canada because Canada does less research, is less litigious, and therefore can sell many of their drugs at a much lower rate than can American pharmaceutical companies.

Canadians come to the U.S. for many health related procedures because socialized medicine does have its drawbacks and the American system has its advantages.

Canadians might have a very different perspective about Canadian/U.S. diplomacy if 9/11 had happened in Montreal and Quebec instead of New York City and Washington DC. We will see how the feelings run the day Canada asks for assistance and we refuse it.

BPB: WTF are you talking about?

Montana: are you referring to 9/11? If so, I am sure you have read about it by now.

Nimh, by your logic then, why does the US even have a military?

I'm going to go back to an earlier point I made regarding the terms 'anti-American' and 'anti-America'. These terms are just convenient buzzwords to negate any criticism of American foreign policy, or in a broader perspective, the average hubris of the American citizen who purports that the rest of the world ought to shut up, and bless America for 'doing it's god-given duty'. Given that not all Americans think this way, it is ridiculous to suggest that anyone here, even with the comments we made (mostly funnin' anyway) is 'Anti-American'. Sure, there are plenty of things that people world-wide dislike about America, but we're not all out to destroy the country, nor do most of us hate it as a country. If you want to keep perpetuating the idea that Americans can't tell the difference between a specific concern and a sweeping generalization, go ahead, keep telling the rest of us that we are anti-American. You will eventually become a living example of the myths already out there.

McGentrix wrote:

Nimh, by your logic then, why does the US even have a military?

Ehm, I dunno whose logic that is, but it aint mine.

The Canadian point of view here seems to be that its military provided sufficient cover for the threats the country faced.

(More so, in fact - that its military has proved capable of doing clearly more than that. For example, say, liberating some peoples in WW2, taking over command of the current Afghan operation when you got yourself busy elsewhere, etc.)

Now your contention was that that's a joke, and that Canada instead has the US to thank for protecting it against unspecified enemies.

And you contend so on the basis of what arguments? You can't even seem to come up with any example of what the US did exactly to protect Canada against whom. You just repeat your assertion ad nauseam. Hey, you got yourself into this pickle, I didn't.

Is that why Canada's prices are lower? Huh, I thought it was because the drug companies sold the drugs to Canada cheaper then they sell them to the US. I figured because of Canada's advertising laws re: drugs, that their marketing budgets would be substantially lower than in the States. I also thought that Canada had generic versions of a number of drugs, rather than their brand-name counterparts who hold US patents. I obviously don't know anything about this stuff so if anyone does, I'd love to hear more or have some links put included in this thread, or another more appropriate thread.

Also, our socialized medical system does have some problems. If you want your operation done immediately, you often have to wait. That's because everyone has to wait in line here. In the US if you've got the dollars you've got the service when you want it. It's real nice for the wealthy folks

On the topic of 911 - It was the unilateral pre-emptive strike against Iraq, who wasn't responsible for 911, that we had issues with...we were right there in Afghanistan helping hunt for those responsible. We also raised a lot of money for the survivors of 911 through a number of charities here in Canada. So don't go acting like we've been unsupportive neighbours or anything.

...only by the deterrence of the US military does Canada not come face to face with those threats.

cavfancier wrote:

I'm going to go back to an earlier point I made regarding the terms 'anti-American' and 'anti-America'. These terms are just convenient buzzwords to negate any criticism of American foreign policy, or in a broader perspective, the average hubris of the American citizen who purports that the rest of the world ought to shut up, and bless America for 'doing it's god-given duty'. Given that not all Americans think this way, it is ridiculous to suggest that anyone here, even with the comments we made (mostly funnin' anyway) is 'Anti-American'. Sure, there are plenty of things that people world-wide dislike about America, but we're not all out to destroy the country, nor do most of us hate it as a country. If you want to keep perpetuating the idea that Americans can't tell the difference between a specific concern and a sweeping generalization, go ahead, keep telling the rest of us that we are anti-American. You will eventually become a living example of the myths already out there.

Cav, if I were truly whining about being a picked on minority, I don't think you could insult me more than suggesting I am responsible for perpetuating the negative stereo type or justifying the stereo type itself by any one person's demeanor for that matter. Consider the extreme example you used earlier with the N word...

Fortunately, you have missed my point completely. I'll get my knuckles bloody defending free speech any day of the week. Criticize my great country till your heart's content and worry for not a second that you might offend me, because you won't. I will defend it, however.

I am not defending my peers for accusing people of Anti-American sentiment: I agree with you that that's too common. But, it is not as common as it is used as an excuse to criticize Americans, as is evidenced by your post to me. The constant criticizing of Americans for their National pride is what I was taking issue with, and what I am defending now. I wasn't complaining about America bashing. You see, I'm one of those that believe my country can "hold up to any and all criticism because it's greatness is so apparent".

I'd also like to point out that my earlier shock was real. In this case I agree completely with Craven's statement about lines in sand being stupid. I never considered any division between your country and mine... and I have no doubt Setanta is spot on by laying the responsibility for any division that does exist on our doorstep.

The only way I can tell you guys apart from Americans (here's a stereotype for ya), is that you hosers to a man; do seem uncommonly polite.

McGentrix wrote:

...only by the deterrence of the US military does Canada not come face to face with those threats.

Is this a suggestion or do you have evidence something worse could happen to Canada if there wouldn't be the mighty, big, important, admired US military?

Jer writes

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On the topic of 911 - It was the unilateral pre-emptive strike against Iraq, who wasn't responsible for 911, that we had issues with...we were right there in Afghanistan helping hunt for those responsible. We also raised a lot of money for the survivors of 911 through a number of charities here in Canada. So don't go acting like we've been unsupportive neighbours or anything.

I didn't say Canada has been unsupportive. I said the day you ask for help and don't get it for us, you may feel as miffed as we did re Iraq and may feel less than charitable toward us. This was responding to Cav's observation that they didn't like the way we treated Canada when Canada refused to assist with Iraq. Until you've been there, it's difficult to know how you will respond.

nimh wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Nimh, by your logic then, why does the US even have a military?

Ehm, I dunno whose logic that is, but it aint mine.

The Canadian point of view here seems to be that its military provided sufficient cover for the threats the country faced.

(More so, in fact - that its military has proved capable of doing clearly more than that. For example, say, liberating some peoples in WW2, taking over command of the current Afghan operation when you got yourself busy elsewhere, etc.)

Now your contention was that that's a joke, and that Canada instead has the US to thank for protecting it against unspecified enemies.

And you contend so on the basis of what arguments? You can't even seem to come up with any example of what the US did exactly to protect Canada against whom. You just repeat your assertion ad nauseam. Hey, you got yourself into this pickle, I didn't.

I am saying that Canada faces the SAME EXACT threats that the US faces and only by the deterrence of the US military does Canada not come face to face with those threats. THAT is how Canada has been defended by the US. If you can argue differently, go right ahead.

Rick d'Israeli wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

...only by the deterrence of the US military does Canada not come face to face with those threats.

Is this a suggestion or do you have evidence something worse could happen to Canada if there wouldn't be the mighty, big, important, admired US military?

Do you have evidence that there wouldn't?