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Sozobe - Agreed Laughing

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a fritz perls moment

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Okay, blatham, What's a "fritz perls moment?" c.i.

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Wow dyslexia, that was good!!!!! Cool

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c.i., link:

http://www.gestalt.org/fritz.htm

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BillW, Thanks for the link on fritz perls. However, don't ask me who this guy is next week, because I would have forgotten. Wink

c.i.

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who are you talking about c.i., please refresh my memory? Twisted Evil

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Who, indeed! Wink

c.i.

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ci

Fritz had a thing going on locally, though I never attended. I read a couple of his books back in the sixties when gestalt therapy was in its brief phase of high popularity.

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And to think he even spent time in CA is news to me! Not much interest in that sort of thing, in that stage of my life, I guess. c.i.

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Well, people got naked together...not sure how you missed that one. I think Big Sur was the center of all this activity, but for some reason he had a place up here on one of the gulf islands (if I recall correctly). I'd heard about the whole movement, but it was a local judge who loaned me a Perls' book one summer when I was helping him put up some fencing. All judges should be as cool as this fellow was. I never met Perls, though a lady friend of mine did.

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I think that the law should be changed to allow same sex marriages.

In my opinion, the main thing stopping this change from taking place (or, starting to take place) is the Bible, it specifically opposes homosexuality and refers to it as being "detestable".

A side of me (probably the heterosexual one) feels that the unity of a man to a woman is somehow "the way it was meant to be" but having said that, I can understand that you really can't help who you fall in love with and so I do feel empathy for the gay people out there who would like to be married to each other.

I think my level of empathy is somehow amplified by my own somewhat controversial relationship with my first cousin (but that's a different story altogether).

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peter

Welcome aboard.

In our culture, there are Christian sects which read a particular passage in the bible literally (while quite ignoring a literal reading of other passages in the same book). But it isn't only the christian world that evidences anti-same sex unions or sexuality, so we can't lay the blame there, at least not fully. Sexuality is pretty universally rule-bound in cultures and it's an interesting question to wonder why that might be so.

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blatham, Let me give it a try to explain this phenomenon of cultural bias against homosexuality. Since the majority of humans are heterosexual, and the union of male and female to be the "natural" biological union, many see homosexuality as "unnatural." Depending upon who the leaders of a culture, they may speak against homosexual behavior. The subject of homosexuality in the bible may be an outcrop of such a culture. c.i.

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I agree with c.i. that it may be something as simple as its statistical rarity. Left-handed people have also been thought "evil", redheads, etc., etc. It seems to be a primal impulse in humans to stick with like, and shun what is different.

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blatham wrote:

In our culture, there are Christian sects which read a particular passage in the bible literally (while quite ignoring a literal reading of other passages in the same book).

True, and I find a flaw in this behavior, beyond the selective adherence to this or that passage.

My admittedly limited understanding of the Christian faith teaches me that when Christ came along he in essence said, "forget the rules you had before, here are the new rules". By definition, Christians are supposed to look to the NEW TESTAMENT, the teachings of Christ, for how to be Christ-like (which is what Christian means, right?). Of course, there are plenty of useful parables and historical information in the Old Testament, but Christians aren't supposed to look there for the "how to" stuff. Right?

So, Christians pointing to passages in the Old Testament as a basis for their opinions or actions seems misguided to me.

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Tres.

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My admittedly limited understanding of the Christian faith teaches me that when Christ came along he in essence said, "Forget the rules you had before, here are the new rules."

The advent of Christianity did not negate the old testament. Rather it built upon it. The basis for Christianity is Judaism.

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au, And includes Islam? c.i.

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au1929 wrote:

Tres.
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My admittedly limited understanding of the Christian faith teaches me that when Christ came along he in essence said, "Forget the rules you had before, here are the new rules."

The advent of Christianity did not negate the old testament. Rather it built upon it. The basis for Christianity is Judaism.

au - I did not write that Christ negated the Old Testament, I wrote that it is my understanding that he gave specific, detailed, and comprehensive instructions for how man should live, and that these superceded those offered before his coming.

Here is a lengthy discussion of this question:
Old Testament Laws: Must People Keep Them Today?

On the second page you'll find PART III: WHAT LAW SHOULD WE OBEY NOW?

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Some people ask, "If the 10 Commands were removed, wouldn't that make it all right to steal, lie, murder, etc.?" So consider what the Bible says about the law we today should follow.

A. Today We Must Obey the New Testament.

I am not offering this as proof that this point of view is correct, merely that--as I wrote before--this point of view exists, and that if it is correct it means that those Christians who stand against homosexuality because of one or two obscure references in the Old Testament may be looking in the wrong place for what position they should take on the issue as Christians, and I am unaware of any anti-homosexual stance espoused by Christ.

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tres, Interesting link of god's laws. Thanks, c.i

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