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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 03:48 pm
I've had a good look through the last four or five pages, but cant seem to see this link anywhere.

http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2003/04/20030409.php

My apologies if it has already been posted, but it certainly makes interesting reading re. the "Euro/Oil" theory.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 05:22 pm
Quote, "But if the standard were the Euro, we can't very well print up a bunch of Euros to pay for oil... it would have the net effect of adding a huge bill on to the already out-of-control gov't spending."

That is true; we can't print Euros, and the dollars demise in purchasing oil will require us to clean up our own financial management at the federal level - not a bad thing in my books. A stranger dynamics may come into play where the cheap Euro will require countries to start buying back the US dollar, putting a heavier demand on the Euro, and losing any competitive edge they might have. When the oil countries realize they're being paid with worthless Euro, they'll convert back to the US dollar. I just don't see how the Euro countries can back up their currency without backing it byproductive products and services. Especially when their own federal government is running in the red.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 07:40 pm
Right now, how many euros does a barrel of crude oil cost?
Right now, how many dollars does a barrel of crude oil cost?

Some people sell euros and buy dollars to achieve their objectives.
Some people sell dollars and buy euros to achieve their objectives.

So if someone's oil were sold only in euros, the purchases of that oil with dollars would be accomplished by buying euros with dollars and then use those purchased euros to buy that oil.

So if someone's oil were sold only in dollars, the purchases of that oil with euros would be accomplished by buying the dollars with euros and then use those purchased dollars to buy that oil.

What would happen to the European Union if the price of crude in euros were to double?

What would happen to the European Union if the price of crude in dollars were to double?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 07:53 pm
What would happen to the European Union if the US effort to secure in Iraq a democracy of the Iraqis own design were to fail?

Dear europeans and your equivalents here in the US, your witting or unwitting support of the Baathist-al-Qaeda terrorists via your unceasing efforts to get the US to pull out of Iraq may not really be in your interests.

I understand that your burning hatred of Bush&Adm has delayed your thinking about this. But don't you think it would be a good idea for you to really examine the probable consequences for you if the US does pull out?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:00 pm
Interesting piece. It is worth remembering the centuries of war, exploitation, and destruction the nations of the supposed "Paris, Berlin, Moscow axis" have inflicted on the world. This is not what the new world is advancing toward - rather it is what it is escaping from.

There is more to both power and even wealth than central banks can know. The declining populations and sclerotic economies of continental Eurasia (excluding for the moment the vibrant populations and economies of the emerging Central Asian nations) suggest a bleak future for them. The median age of Western Europe is more than four years greater than that in America, and its collective economy is growing at about half the rate as ours. Russia's population is declining fast and, despite a declining life expectency, the fraction of its population over 65 years is greater than that in the U.S. Of all the nations from the British Isles to Russia, only Ireland has a larger fraction of its population under 18 years than the U.S. In almost all cases the differences are greater than 4% of total population.

Perhaps pipedreams such as this will calm the declining years of those who dream of the resurrection of Continental power in Europe.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:14 pm
How would you then describe the situation in Airstrip One compared to Continental Eurasia?
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:59 pm
source

Apr 5, 10:49 PM EDT

Iraq Prepares to Name Kurd New President

By TRACI CARL
Associated Press Writer





BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Ousted dictator Saddam Hussein will be able to watch from his Baghdad jail cell as Iraq's newly elected parliament chooses a new president Wednesday, the next step in building Iraq's first democratically elected government in 50 years, Iraqi officials said.

Lawmakers put the finishing touches Tuesday on an agreement making Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani president and Shiite Adel Abdul-Mahdi and interim President Ghazi al-Yawer, a Sunni Arab, his two vice presidents.

On Thursday, the 275 lawmakers elected Jan. 30 likely will name Shiite leader Ibrahim al-Jaafari prime minister, clearing the way for lawmakers to begin focusing their attention on writing a permanent constitution by their Aug. 15 deadline.

The new, interim government will lay the foundation for future elections and a permanent government - all key to an eventual U.S. withdrawal.

The U.S. military said four service members were killed Monday and Tuesday in one of its biggest losses in recent weeks. As of Monday, at least 1,536 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

In Washington, President Bush said Iraqis were increasingly joining the fight against terrorists like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of al-Qaida in Iraq.

"The American people ought to take heart to know that we have now more allies in defeating these few, and those allies are the Iraqi citizens," he said.

Interim Vice President Rowsch Nouri Shaways said Saddam will be able to see the parliamentary session from his jail cell, although it was unclear if the broadcast will be live or taped. U.S. military officials declined to comment.

"This is a very important session because this is the first time in Iraq's history that the president and his deputies are elected in a legitimate and democratic way by the Iraqi people," he said. "That's why the Iraqi government thought it would be beneficial that the former dictator see this unique process."

Saddam was captured north of Baghdad in December 2003 and has been in custody with several of his top henchmen at a U.S.-guarded detention facility near Baghdad's international airport. U.S. military officials transferred the 12 defendants to Iraqi custody in June with the transfer of sovereignty.

Saddam will be tried before the Iraqi Special Tribunal established in late 2003. The tribunal has given no official dates for starting trials.

As U.S. officials have slowly begun to return control of the troubled nation to Iraqi security and government officials, insurgents are targeting Iraqis along with U.S. troops.

In one tape posted Tuesday by al-Qaida in Iraq, a man in his 20s, identified as Iraqi soldier Jassim Mohammed Hussein Mahdi, was beheaded for working with the U.S.-allied government

The authenticity of the tape, posted on a militant Web site that carries most al-Qaida in Iraq statements, could not immediately be verified.

The man was shown squatting on the ground in an empty room, wearing full military gear with his hands tied behind his back.

"God's verdict against this renegade, who was tempted by dollars, has been carried out," said a statement shown on the tape. "Let everyone who sold his religion and joined this unit know that he will have the same fate."

The video later showed the man lying blindfolded on the ground before two masked men appeared. One held the victim's legs while the other severed his head with a knife as shouts of "God is great!" were heard off-camera.

Al-Qaida in Iraq has claimed responsibility for beheading numerous Western hostages and members of the Iraqi security forces.

"Their strategy hasn't really changed; their strategy has been one to kill as many innocent people as they possibly can in the hopes that it shakes our confidence and shakes our will and, equally importantly, shakes the will and confidence of those brave souls who are helping lead ... this new democracy," Bush said Tuesday.

A second video posted on the same Web site by another group, Ansar al-Sunnah Army, showed a man who said he worked as an informer for police in the northern city of Mosul.

The man, who identified himself as Hussein Taha Qassim and said he was born in 1968, told an interrogator he informed the police about the hideouts of four insurgents. He said the police killed three of the insurgents while the fourth escaped.

In the next image, he was shown lying face-down on the median of a two-way avenue, and a masked gunman used an automatic weapon to shoot him several times.

The video's authenticity also could not be verified. Ansar al-Sunnah has claimed to have kidnapped and killed several foreigners.

An explosion Monday in the sprawling, western province of Anbar killed one Marine, while two U.S. soldiers and one Iraqi soldier died in a joint attack on dozens of insurgents in eastern Diyala province that lasted into Tuesday. Two U.S. soldiers also were wounded in the attack, a military spokesman said.

Another U.S. soldier was killed Tuesday in Baghdad when an abandoned taxi exploded on an expressway near an American patrol. Four others were wounded, said Sgt. 1st Class David Abrams, a spokesman for Task Force Baghdad.

A blast in the capital's Amiriyah neighborhood targeted a joint Iraqi-U.S. convoy, al-Amil police Capt. Talib Thamir said. Abrams said there was an explosion but he did not have any details.

As night fell, a blast near a university in the capital injured five people, police said.

In Mosul, a car bomb injured five U.S. soldiers and damaged a Stryker troop transport vehicle, Capt. Mark Walter said.

After that incident, soldiers accidentally shot a CBS News freelance cameraman in the hip, he said. Both CBS and the U.S. military said the camera was mistaken for a weapon.

CBS said it had been informed by the Pentagon that the cameraman had been shot and was expected to recover.

Soldiers also shot and killed a man waving an assault rifle, the U.S. military said.

In attacks targeting Iraqi officials:

- The Interior Ministry said a senior official, Brig. Gen. Jala Mohammed Saleh, was kidnapped Tuesday by gunmen who broke into his house in Baghdad. Saleh is involved in anti-insurgency operations in Iraq.

- Sunni cleric Hilal Karim was killed in a drive-by shooting as he entered his mosque in the capital's New Baghdad neighborhood, police Col. Ahmed Aboud said.

- In Hillah, a member of the Babil provincial council, Salim Hilal, was gunned down on his way to work, and two suspects were arrested, provincial police spokesman Capt. Muthana Khalid said.

- Iraqi police Monday found 10 bodies about 30 miles south of Baghdad, Khalid said. Some of the bodies, believed to belong to members of Iraq's security forces, were beheaded while others had gunshot wounds, he said.

There have been several reports of the discovery of headless corpses, usually believed to be Iraqi security forces, but none have been confirmed independently.

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Associated Press reporter Edward Harris in Mosul contributed to this report.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 04:57 am
Ican wrote

"So if someone's oil were sold only in euros, the purchases of that oil with dollars would be accomplished by buying euros with dollars and then use those purchased euros to buy that oil.

So if someone's oil were sold only in dollars, the purchases of that oil with euros would be accomplished by buying the dollars with euros and then use those purchased dollars to buy that oil"

Glad you cleared that up Ican, I was beginning to get confused.

You also wrote

"Dear europeans and your equivalents here in the US, your witting or unwitting support of the Baathist-al-Qaeda terrorists via your unceasing efforts to get the US to pull out of Iraq may not really be in your interests.

I understand that your burning hatred of Bush&Adm has delayed your thinking about this. But don't you think it would be a good idea for you to really examine the probable consequences for you if the US does pull out?"



First epistle of St Stephen (the Unbeliever) to the Icanists:

Icanists!

American and European backing of the disgraceful regime of Saddam Hussein, encouraging him to attack Iran then ditching him, finally getting rid of him only by invading Iraq, is typical of Machiavellian American geo-politics.

We understand your motives, how could we not? They are the same as ours. Great powers do what they need to do, and if they can, they do it. But that's not the same as acting honourably.

We dont hate George Bush or you. We are annoyed that Bush and his "crazies" have given such poor leadership. We furious that the Iraq war is turning into the quagmire that many predicted. And we are frustrated by people such as yourselves who either cannot or will not understand what we are doing in Iraq or why.

Many people said we should never have invaded Iraq on legal and moral grounds. Their case grows stronger by the day.

But we did invade Iraq. We broke it so now we own it, and its going to take a long while to fix. But expousing the tired propaganda that Iraq was some sort of crusade to rid the world of evil serves no purpose other than self-delusion.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 06:37 am
In the first place no one in either Western Europe or America, as far as I know, ever encouraged Saddam Hussein to attack Iran. He saw apparent weakness and disorder in post revolutionary Iran and took advantage of the situation by attacking. At the time his principal backer, financially, and for weapons and technological capabilities was a then still intact Soviet Union. France was a secondary, but important provider of arms and investment.

After some initial success by Iraq, the war degenerated to a sustained war of attrition on a more or less static front, much like WWI. A decisive victory on the part of either side would have been dangerous to the interests of most Western nations, and that consideration directed the actions of most of them, though the French remained somewhat committed to Saddam, providing him with large numbers of modern aircraft, air to surface missiles, and a host of army weapons, many of which we are encountering today.

The notion on the part of the British and the French that they "understand our motives" (as they conceive them) is pure psychological projection on their part. They created the problems of the Middle East during WWI out of greed and aggressive self-interest (as well as incompetence and widespread betrayal of those who trusted them). They find it difficult to accept the notion that their successor could possibly have better intentions than theirs, or (what is worse for them) achieve a better outcome.

A democratic government in Iraq is slowly taking shape. The energy of the terrorists and insurgents is slowly being dissipated while the capabilities of the new Iraqi government's security forces is growing. Incidents of active resistance to terrorists by the Iraqi public are becoming more frequent. This is no quagmire. It is a difficult situation, but it is improving steadily, and our ability to deal with it and determination to continue are still very strong.

Steve's epistle is nicely written. However his facts and conclusions are all wrong.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 06:46 am
Early this morning the news was reporting that the Iraqis have chosen a Kurd president to join the Sunni and Shia vice presidents and now they can move forward to choose a prime minister and get ready for the next elections. Seems to me the Iraqis are progressing somewhat more efficiently than we Americans did when we were hammering out out form of government and choosing who would lead it.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 07:07 am
That is good news isn't foxfrye.

For more of the details:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-me/2005/apr/06/040609574.html

Today: April 06, 2005 at 4:11:47 PDT
Kurdish Leader Named Iraqi President

ASSOCIATED PRESS
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -

0405iraq The Iraqi parliament chose Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani as the country's new interim president Wednesday, reaching out to a long-repressed minority and bringing the country closer to its first democratically elected government in 50 years.

Ousted members of the former regime - including toppled leader Saddam Hussein - were shown the announcement on televisions in their prison cells, Iraqi officials said.

Adel Abdul-Mahdi, a Shiite, and interim President Ghazi al-Yawer, a Sunni Arab, were chosen as Talabani's two vice presidents. After weeks of negotiations, the three candidates received 227 votes. Thirty ballots were left blank.

The announcement drew applause, and many lawmakers crowded around Talabani to congratulate him.

"This is the new Iraq, where no sect or minority controls the whole country," parliament speaker Hajim al-Hassani said. "It is an Iraq where all the people are unified."

Talabani said he would work to improve security in his troubled nation, and he called on neighboring countries to help in the fight by preventing foreign insurgents from crossing into Iraq.

"Our people are patient," he said. "But there's a limit to their patience."
Before the session began, Hussain al-Shahristani of the Shiite-led United Iraqi Alliance said the choice of Talabani reflected efforts to represent the nation's diverse ethnic and religious groups in the new leadership.

"We agreed on Talabani because of his qualities and patriotic history," he said, adding that Talabani would be sworn in Thursday.

The Kurdish-led coalition in parliament won 75 of the 275 seats in the Jan. 30 elections. Kurds make up 20 percent of the country's 26 million people; Shiites make up 60 percent and the Sunni Arabs are roughly 15 to 20 percent.

Human Rights Minister Bakhtiyar Amin told The Associated Press that lawmakers had asked that Saddam and other jailed members of his former government be shown the process. "There will be televisions there, and they will be seeing it today," he said.

Saddam, captured in December 2003, has been in custody with several of his top aides at a U.S.-guarded detention facility. U.S. military officials declined to comment.

"This is a very important session because this is the first time in Iraq's history that the president and his deputies are elected in a legitimate and democratic way by the Iraqi people," interim Vice President Rowsch Nouri Shaways said.

"That's why the Iraqi government thought it would be beneficial that the former dictator see this unique process."

The interim National Assembly must write a permanent constitution by Aug. 15. The constitution, along with elections for a permanent government scheduled for December, are central parts of U.S. plans for an eventual pullout of American troops.

For now, the fighting goes on. The U.S. military said in a statement Wednesday that a Task Force Baghdad soldier was killed a day earlier when his patrol was hit by a bomb and attacked by insurgent gunmen. Four other U.S. service members were killed Monday and Tuesday in an upsurge in violence, the military said.

In videos posted Tuesday on militant Web sites, a man in his 20s identified as Iraqi soldier Jassim Mohammed Hussein Mahdi was beheaded for working with the U.S.-allied government while another man, Hussein Taha Qassim, identified as a police informer, was shot.

The authenticity of the tapes, said to have been posted on Web sites by the militant groups al-Qaida in Iraq and Ansar al-Sunnah Army, could not immediately be verified. Al-Qaida in Iraq has claimed responsibility for beheading numerous Western hostages and members of the Iraqi security forces. Ansar al-Sunnah has claimed to have kidnapped and killed several foreigners.

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revel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 07:16 am
If that one is not accpetable there is another one from bbc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4415459.stm

Kurd leader named Iraq president
Iraq's parliament has chosen Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani as the country's new president after the first elections since the fall of Saddam Hussein.
His deputies will be former President Ghazi Yawer, a Sunni Arab, and Finance Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi, who is Shia.

The presidential team will nominate the key role of prime minister who will lead Iraq until new polls in December.

Shia politician Ibrahim Jaafari is expected to be named prime minister in the coming days.

The Shia and Kurdish blocs agreed the nominations with Sunni parties on Tuesday, ending weeks of political deadlock since elections in January.

The ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein watched the session on television in jail, officials said.

Kurdish victory

Members of the new parliament, dressed in tribal robes, business suits and religious garments, cast their secret ballots in the assembly inside Baghdad's fortified Green Zone.

The votes were then counted publicly.

The three candidates received 227 votes, while 30 ballots were left blank, according to AP news agency.

Thanking parliament, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan leader Mr Talabani said it was a step towards a free, democratic Iraq after long years of dictatorship.

His appointment is a major political victory for Iraq's Kurdish community, which suffered greatly under Saddam Hussein.

It makes room for his long-time rival - Kurdistan Democratic Party chief Massoud Barzani - to head an autonomous government in the Kurdish region in the north of Iraq.

"We are happy that the first elected president of Iraq is coming from a community that has been persecuted for years," Shia MP Hussein Shahrastani told AFP news agency.

But the BBC's Caroline Hawley in Baghdad says differences remain between the Shias and Kurds, in particular over who should control the important oil ministry.

Iraq's politicians are also trying to allocate jobs to Sunni Muslims, who largely boycotted the elections, in an effort to try to draw support away from the continuing insurgency, she says.

Watched by Saddam

Kurdish MP and outgoing foreign minister Hoshyar Zebari said a new cabinet headed by Mr Jaafari will be approved "within a few days", AFP reported.

The transitional government's main task will be to oversee the drafting of a permanent Iraqi constitution and pave the way for elections in December.

Iraqi officials said Saddam Hussein and members of his former regime watched the proceedings on television in jail.

"I decided that Saddam and the 11 others will watch it on the television," Iraqi Human Rights minister Bakhtiar Amin told AFP before the session.

"There will be a place in jail for Saddam and the 11 to watch the TV to understand their time is finished, there is a new Iraq and that they are no longer ruling the country; so they can understand that in the new Iraq, people are elected and they are not coming to power by a coup d'etat."
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 07:42 am
George wrote

"In the first place no one in either Western Europe or America, as far as I know, ever encouraged Saddam Hussein to attack Iran.

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http://207.44.245.159/article7763.htm

"When Iraq invaded Iran in the 1980s (with American encouragement and support)..."

Let's attack Iran!

By GWYNNE DYER

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"He saw apparent weakness and disorder in post revolutionary Iran and took advantage of the situation by attacking. At the time his principal backer, financially, and for weapons and technological capabilities was a then still intact Soviet Union. France was a secondary, but important provider of arms and investment."

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The Americans and Europeans covertly backed Iraq. (and Iran!)

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"After some initial success by Iraq, the war degenerated to a sustained war of attrition on a more or less static front, much like WWI. A decisive victory on the part of either side would have been dangerous to the interests of most Western nations, and that consideration directed the actions of most of them,"

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what you dont admit here is that we kept the war going to weaken both sides.

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"though the French remained somewhat committed to Saddam, providing him with large numbers of modern aircraft, air to surface missiles, and a host of army weapons, many of which we are encountering today.

The notion on the part of the British and the French that they "understand our motives" (as they conceive them) is pure psychological projection on their part. "

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Middle eastern oil has been of vital strategic interest to the British since the Royal Navy switched from coal to oil fired boilers in the early years of the 20 century. There is nothing psychological about that.

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"They created the problems of the Middle East during WWI out of greed and aggressive self-interest (as well as incompetence and widespread betrayal of those who trusted them). They find it difficult to accept the notion that their successor could possibly have better intentions than theirs, or (what is worse for them) achieve a better outcome."

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Who is projecting motives onto others here? Our motives were self serving and are now. So are yours. (Unless you believe that we went around Africa and India bringing law, railways and Christianity for the good of primitive peoples)

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"A democratic government in Iraq is slowly taking shape. The energy of the terrorists and insurgents is slowly being dissipated while the capabilities of the new Iraqi government's security forces is growing. Incidents of active resistance to terrorists by the Iraqi public are becoming more frequent."

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Such as? Dont understand what you are referring to here.

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"This is no quagmire. It is a difficult situation, but it is improving steadily",

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but it doesnt seem to have got better since Bush flew onto the Abraham Lincoln beneath a banner saying mission accomplished 2 years ago.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 08:39 am
Quote:
but it doesnt seem to have got better since Bush flew onto the Abraham Lincoln beneath a banner saying mission accomplished 2 years ago.


One entry found for ignorant.
Main Entry: ig·no·rant
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&nt
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
- ig·no·rant·ly adverb
- ig·no·rant·ness noun
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 09:02 am
Did you not know that Bush did that McG?
Are you saying you were ignorant of that fact?
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 09:15 am
One entry found for McGentrix.
Main Entry: Mc·Gen·trix
Pronunciation: 'M&c-'G&n-trix
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <a McGentrix society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents McGentrix of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <McGentrix errors>
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
- Mc·Gen·trique adverb
- Mc·Gen·trique·ness noun
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 09:27 am
old europe wrote:
One entry found for McGentrix.
Main Entry: Mc·Gen·trix
Pronunciation: 'M&c-'G&n-trix
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <a McGentrix society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents McGentrix of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <McGentrix errors>
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
- Mc·Gen·trique adverb
- Mc·Gen·trique·ness noun


Laughing Laughing
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 10:30 am
old europe wrote:
One entry found for McGentrix.
Main Entry: Mc·Gen·trix
Pronunciation: 'M&c-'G&n-trix
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <a McGentrix society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents McGentrix of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <McGentrix errors>
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
- Mc·Gen·trique adverb
- Mc·Gen·trique·ness noun


OE, very funny... now tell me how to clean up clam chowder after it's ben spit on a keyboard? Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 10:57 am
Gels, The trick is to wait until it dries. LOL That'll prevent being shocked, and also easier to clean when dry.
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 11:02 am
Steve's epistle was correct.

I don't know of anyone who wants USA and allies to pull out of Iraq.
How we got there in the first place is in dispute, but not the need to stay there and rebuild.
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