Do you honestly think we control the ruling authority in Germany and Japan? Or in Iraq for that matter?
Do we control them (G&J) now? No. Did we at the time (a year after they had been defeated)? Yes, of course we did.
It's silly of you to believe that there weren't a few generals who talked to the newly appointed rulers, and said 'now, we're going to let you go your own way, as long as you don't step out of line or ask us to leave or anything silly like that. In fact, we'll cement your leadership with our support.
And that's exactly what happens. Works out great for everyone, see?
Cycloptichorn
What exactly is your beef with that arrangement, Cyclops?
Just think Cyc. Bush is only in office for 3 and half more years. After that, it's an all new ball game.
But in baseball, with three strikes you're out!
And the ACLU wonders why so many freedom-loving Americans hold them in utter contempt these days.
Quote:What exactly is your beef with that arrangement, Cyclops?
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I don't have a problem with this arrangement at all. But I think it's silly to say that we're going to leave anytime soon. That's the other half of the arrangement, yaknow?
Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre wrote:And the ACLU wonders why so many freedom-loving Americans hold them in utter contempt these days.
Just so I've got this straight: you hold the ACLU in comtempt for opposing this?
Quote:Arkan Mohammed Ali, a 26-year-old Iraqi held for a year from June 2003 to 2004, alleges that U.S. personnel twice beat him unconscious, used a large knife to repeatedly stab and slice his forearm, burned and shocked him with a small metal device, locked him naked for several days in a small wooden box, urinated on him and made death threats against him.
I would think it's the freedom loving Americans who appreciate the ACLU, and don't hold them in contempt.
I used to. I was once a card carrying member even. No more.
Not responsive to the question at hand..... BF
The ACLU has never been accused of mixing morality and freedom.
McGentrix wrote:The ACLU has never been accused of mixing morality and freedom.
which is why I donate to the ACLU every year (along with the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Nature Conservancy as my only charities)
The ACLU is a mixed bag for me; mostly negative. I think their support of that prisoner at Gitmo was the right move. This government shouldn't have the power to circumvent the constitution.
I fail to see where the constitution was circumvented. Can you point that out?
This government shouldn't have the authority to imprison anybody without charge as a noncombatant terrorist without charge or freedom to legal access.
That was settled a while back and was not found to be unconstitutional.
It has to be true, I saw it on Fox