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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 02:12 am
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January 25, 2005
POST-ELECTION
Balking at Vote, Sunnis Seek Role on Constitution
By EDWARD WONG

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan. 24 - Sunni Arab leaders who have been the most vocal in calling for a boycott or postponement of the coming elections say they intend to get involved in politics after the vote, including taking part in writing a permanent constitution.

There is too much at stake, with the constitution to be drafted by August 2005 and full-term elections held by year's end, for Sunni groups to reject the political process, the leaders say, even if they are sticking to their denunciation of the elections.

This talk by prominent Sunnis is the most positive sign yet that there is still a chance they will take part in the political process, potentially bolstering the beleaguered American effort to plant democracy in the Middle East.

Those saying they want to become involved in the process are not leaders of the Sunni-dominated insurgency, and there is no indication that the violence will abate after the vote. But some of these Sunni leaders, who include powerful clerics, have considerable influence with the guerrillas and could act as a bridge between the new government - expected to be dominated by the majority Shiites - and the insurgency.

The 275-member national assembly to be elected Sunday is to appoint a president and prime minister, draft a permanent constitution and prepare the country for full-term elections in December. There is nothing forbidding outsiders from getting involved in writing the constitution, and even the most hard-line Sunni leaders say they expect the assembly to invite them into the process.

Although Sunni participation would be good news for those who want the political process to move forward in Iraq, it is not necessarily a matter of acquiescence. In the last week, Sunni leaders have threatened to scuttle the constitution if the post-election government and American officials do not bring them in. A measure in the transitional basic law approved last spring allows just 3 of the country's 18 provinces to nullify a draft of the constitution if two-thirds of their residents vote against it in a referendum. Sunnis are a majority in at least three provinces, and Sunni leaders are now bringing up this measure as leverage to put Shiite, Kurdish and American officials on notice that the minority Sunnis expect a place in postelection politics.

"Certainly because we withdrew from the elections, that doesn't mean we won't be part of the drafting of the constitution," said Sheik Moayad Ibrahim al-Adhami, a senior member of the Muslim Scholars Association, which says it represents 3,000 mosques and is the most influential Sunni group to call for an election boycott. "The elections are one matter; the constitution is another."

"All the Sunnis must take part in drafting the constitution," added Sheik Adhami, who is the imam of Abu Hanifa Mosque, possibly the most anti-American mosque in Baghdad.

Sunni leaders have been in talks with Iraqi and American officials on how else they can get involved in the new government, even if Sunnis fare poorly in the national elections. There are proposals to make sure the new government sets aside some ministry offices for Sunnis. Some Sunni politicians are lobbying their parties to limit the boycott to national elections, thus allowing them to vie in the provincial elections, also scheduled for Sunday.

John D. Negroponte, the American ambassador to Iraq, said the embassy was reaching out to "just about any Sunni group that we come into contact with" to persuade them to remain involved in politics. Hopefully those who decided "to sit or fight this round out" will become engaged after the elections, he said.

Shiite politicians say they plan to make sure Sunni Arabs are adequately represented in the new government. Ali Faisal al-Lami, an aide to Ahmad Chalabi, the former exile who is running on the most popular Shiite slate, said Shiite candidates had been in talks with Sunni tribal leaders in hostile cities like Mosul, Ramadi and Tikrit. "We will give them some positions in the cabinet and ministries," he said.

An American diplomat said many Sunni politicians were "under physical pressure, and they look for assurance from us that we'll continue to engage with the Sunni Arab community." He added, "I'm spending a fair amount of my time bucking people up."

Mohsen Abdul-Hameed, the leader of the Iraqi Islamic Party, the most prominent Sunni group to withdraw from the elections, is trying to tread the fine line between catering to his anti-American constituency and staying politically involved. He said he had received a written threat from an insurgent cell not to take part in the new government, but was still in "deep negotiations" with American officials to secure a role for his party.

"We will not take seats in the government, and we won't accept any appointments," Mr. Abdul-Hameed said. "But about the constitution, we will participate, and we will be involved in writing a draft of it if we're asked to do that."

The Iraqi Islamic Party's announcement of withdrawal in late December was considered a big blow to the elections because the party is popular among Sunni Arabs. But the party never removed its slate of candidates from the ballot. Mr. Abdul-Hameed said that if the slate won national assembly seats, he would not bar his candidates from taking them, as long as the candidates were not official party members.

Because of the calls for boycott and because of the dire security situation in the Sunni-dominated provinces, Iraqi and American officials fear that Sunni Arab turnout on Sunday will be low and that Sunnis will consequently regard the new government as illegitimate.

Sunni Arabs ruled Iraq for decades, but were ousted from power with the toppling of Saddam Hussein, a Sunni from Tikrit. Many now chafe under the American occupation and see the elections as the means by which the Americans will install a Shiite-dominated government.

But the measure calling for a referendum on the draft constitution - as laid out in the transitional law approved last March - could actually give the Sunni Arabs huge leverage. The measure says that when Iraqis vote on the draft in October, a two-thirds decision against it in at least three provinces will invalidate it.

This measure was first proposed in early 2004 and was most strongly championed by the Kurds, who wanted to be able to invoke the threat of a veto of the constitution to lobby for more autonomy. Shiite leaders opposed the measure but lost that fight.

Now, it is Sunni politicians, confronted by the real possibility of low representation in the assembly, who are threatening to call on people of the Sunni-majority provinces of Anbar, Salahuddin and Nineveh to vote down the constitution if the Sunni leaders are denied a role in drafting it.

"That constitution is not going to be recognized, and people from those areas won't feel this is a true constitution for them," said Hatem al-Mukhlis, a former exile who heads the Iraqi National Movement, a Sunni Arab party that has opted to take part in the elections despite Mr. Mukhlis's deep skepticism about the process. "They'll continue fighting."

Adnan Pachachi, the most prominent secular Sunni candidate, said that after the elections, the national assembly should make it a priority to approach those groups that denounced the elections to get them to take part in writing the constitution.

"There are those who feel they've been marginalized, who feel they haven't been treated fairly," he said. "It is possible to invite people from outside the national assembly to be in on the drafting of the constitution."

Like Mr. Mukhlis, Mr. Pachachi is a Sunni leader who objects to the elections, but has decided to take part to remain engaged in politics. In November, he led a call by 17 political groups for a six-month postponement of the vote, arguing that Iraq was too unstable for it to be fair. But when it became apparent the White House would not put off the elections, he decided to run for office.

"We thought it would be more useful to be a part of the national assembly," he said. "It's a judgment call, whether it's more useful to be part of the process or to be outside."
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 07:28 am
A clip on the upcoming Iraqi election

Salampax .... informative
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 08:48 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
So Paul Aussaresses' book is your proof for France being a tyranny?

(Are you referring to "Services spéciaux Algérie 1955-1957 : Mon témoignage sur la torture" or to [the later published] "Pour la France : Services spéciaux 1942-1954"?)

I haven't even suggested France is a tyranny at all Walter, let alone tried to prove it. You seemed to be challenging the notion that tyrants might be welcome to retire there. Aussaresses and Duvalier's comfortable retirements merely fortify the suggestion of the possibility. A simple google will clarify for anyone who doesn't know them that their retirements should be anything but comfortable. If memory serves, when Aussaresses confessed to being a specialist in torture (just a few years ago Idea, and started profiting off his book about his fiendish acts, Chirac was so appalled he suggested stripping him of his rank and awards. Rolling Eyes Some punishment for torture and murder, that.

Now raise your hand if you think Baby Doc would be welcomed by the masses in Haiti... Rolling Eyes
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 08:56 am
Shocked Is that EDWARD WONG pretty reliable? That sounded wonderful!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 09:49 am
My misunderstanding, Bill, sorry.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 10:21 am
Voter registration by Iraqi nationals in other countries will likely tally 25 percent of the estimated 1.2 million eligible when it closes Tuesday, according to officials organizing the foreign voting program. The Iraq Out-of-Country Voting Program allows Iraqi nationals living abroad to register and vote in Sunday's elections in 14 designated countries, including the US, the UK, Germany [more than 15% here] and France. Registration was extended two days after initially low turnout for the program, which is being run by the International Organization of Migration. At the end of Sunday, about 237,704 had registered to vote in the elections for Iraq's interim national assembly.

Iraq Out-of-Country Voting Program
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Quarter of Iraqi exiles expected to have registered for vote

SYDNEY : Organisers of Iraq's historic Sunday election say they expect nearly one-quarter of the estimated 1.2 million exile voters to have signed up to vote by the end of registration later in the day.



The International Organisation for Migration (IOM), which is organising the vote in 14 countries outside Iraq, announced a two-day extension to the registration period at the weekend after a disappointingly low turnout.

Although figures remain well below the expected response, the pace of registration has picked up in the last few days since the IOM said at the weekend it appeared to be languishing at around 10 percent worldwide.

An IOM spokeswoman told AFP Tuesday that some 10,874 people had signed up in Australia by the end of Monday, or around one-quarter of the anticipated 40,000.

Worldwide, some 237,704 had signed up as of the end of Sunday, when the registration period had originally been scheduled to end.

"We are about 25 percent. Worldwide turnout is looking a bit under 25 percent," the spokeswoman said.

The IOM has urged Iraqis to turn out to vote, but admitted that fears about what would happen to the information they handed over, apathy and a general lack of understanding of the democratic process had deterred many.

Among those who have signed up, the enthusiasm has been enormous and organisers expect virtually all of those who registered will turn up to vote when voting among exiles begins on Friday.

"It is still somewhat disappointing, but given the short time in which to organise the election and given really the level of fear and mistrust among a lot of the Iraqi exiles, it is understandable if they are nervous about handing over information," the spokeswoman said.

In Australia, exiles have been driving in from all around the country and even flying in from neighbouring New Zealand to register at the three centres, in Sydney, Melbourne and the remote community of Shepparton in Victoria state.

Those who turned out in recent days include an 86-year-old man with papers dating from the time of the Ottoman empire who had not expected to witness a fully democratic Iraqi election in his lifetime.

Another registrant had come in from hospital after brain surgery, still wearing bandages.

"The emotion is overwhelming," the spokeswoman said. "Most people have been really quivering with emotion."

The extended registration period ends at 7 pm local time Tuesday in each of the 14 countries involved.

- AFP
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 10:25 am
In Iraq today, insurgent groups in Baghdad were distributing fliers that threatened potential voters and promised violence at polling stations on Sunday. Iraqi police clashed with those handing out the fliers, leaving 11 policemen dead. Militant groups have pledged to disrupt the first elections, and tensions have mounted as the country prepares to select a 275-seat assembly responsible for drafting a constitution.

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Would-be Iraqi voters threatened with death

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Photo: Mauricio Lima/AFP
Iraqi workers detained during a U.S. raid Tuesday on a Mosul gas station.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 11:52 am
An interesting idea:

The Way Out of Iraq: Decentralizing the Iraqi Government
"Permitting Iraq to have self-determination -- and a likely decentralized form of governance -- is not a perfect solution, but it is very likely the best way out of what has become an ill-advised military adventure. This policy alternative would allow the United States to act more in accordance with its founding principles, to cut its losses in credibility from an unnecessary invasion, to escape a large quagmire, to remove a huge financial albatross hanging from taxpayers' necks, and to say that it removed a dictator and gave Iraq the best chance for future peace and prosperity."


Since it's a rather long essay, here's the link to the FULL TEXT of this report by the Independant Institue.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 12:44 pm
That has been kicked around I think as a potential Plan B or C or D or on down the line, Walter., even to the idea of dividing up the country and letting the Sunnis have theirs, the Shia's theirs, the Kurds, theirs, etc.

For now I think most have to stand in awe at the courage and conviction of those Iraqis who will dare to vote on Monday. The terrorists are throwing their worst at them, and yet so many remain resolute. You have to hope for the best for people like that.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 02:43 pm
I hope the vote goes well. Let's hear it for the brave Iraqis. The election workers and the candidates are worthy of the highest respect.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 02:46 pm
I do agree with that sentiment. We wish the best for them.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 03:01 pm
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/party/party-smiley-017.gif
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 05:24 pm
January 25th:
Attention All!
There are now 14 million registered Iraqi voters.
Outstanding!
The total number of Iraqis voting will be

Corection! 12,997,541 or more.
That’s more than 92%!

Astonishing!
After they vote, there will be
[/b]
Corection! 12,997,541 or more
Iraqi Patrick Henrys.
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Patrick Henry: "It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry peace, peace!—but there is no peace. The war is actually begun. The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms. Our brethen are already in the field. Why stay we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me: give me liberty, or give me death!"

13,131,313
You can count on it!
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 05:47 pm
I'd like to add in the tribute of the incredibly brave Iraqis. They are facing threats equal to the worst issued by historical tyrants and their agents who have fought to repress freedom.

I have listened today to segments on NPR--and was amazed, frankly that such pro-democracy spots played on NPR. A man who's home was bombed by us during the war--and who lost his mother and oldest brother was very pro-America. He had been a part of the '91 insurgency against Saddam and was let down by Bush 1. With all that he has gone through, he is thankful we finally went in and did what we said we'd do in 1991. He and others like him have been risking--and losing -- their lives, fighting Saddam, and organizing political opposition.

This is a dream come true to them. It is miraculous. I know we've been adversarial here for months--and the Iraqi situation has been sort of a political weapon between politicos--but I sincerely hope we can all appreciate the gravity of what is going on in Iraq--and in the lives of the freedom fighters, who never thought they would live to see this time--and election day in Iraq.

I sincerely hope we can all rejoice in the inexorable, dogged approach of a new day in the Middle East. It....is....coming. No....matter....what....the assholes....do. They cannot stop it.

Solidarity!
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 05:47 pm
Let's try again to insert some reality:

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Schoolteacher Rajah Musa was perhaps a little too enthusiastic about Sunday's election in Iraq. He talked frequently about it, he urged all his neighbors to vote, and at the local high school where he teaches, he lectured his students about the benefits democracy brings to a society.

Three weeks ago, a car pulled up outside his home as he set out for work and a gunman opened fire. Musa ducked--one of the bullets grazed his head--but he has gone into hiding, terrified for his life, and he has ordered all the members of his family not to vote.

"It is sad, but it isn't safe," said his son, Anis, 23, who had shared his father's eagerness for the elections until the attack. "We were expecting that everybody in the family would go together and vote in peace, but because of this we're very afraid and now we won't go."

Across Baghdad and wherever insurgents are present, Iraqis are asking the question that many regard as the overriding issue of this crucial election campaign: Will it be safe to vote?

And as election day approaches with little sign that the insurgency is easing, many who had looked forward to the election are reassessing.


Fear eroding Iraqis' resolve to vote
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 05:55 pm
Your reality is no more real than others' reality.

They will elect a government, no matter who doesn't wish it so.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 06:07 pm
Yeah, in addition it takes someone who knows what reality is...I mean this guy was all...Gore is the one! Then it was Dean is the one! Then it was Kerry is the one!

He isn't exactly in touch with reality now is he. Laughing
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 06:10 pm
A good laugh. Thanks, X!

<memories of the campaign...BWAHAHAHA!>
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 06:12 pm
vote early, vote often, vote Kucinich.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 06:14 pm
At least Kucinich was authentic.
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