THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

McGentrix wrote:

Fisk is just a bit lower on the "McGentrix likability scale" than Hitlary...

Yeah...Fisk disagrees with the kneejerk conservative reaction to events.

I can understand that.

Don't know much about him...but after reading his article and your assessment, McG...my regard for him has gone up considerably.

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You should read more of his pablum Frank. It is right up your alley.

Here is a link to his webpage I am sure you will like him. He hates America too.

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I think Fisk is one of the terrorists' best propaganda machines purely because anti-war proponents are uncomfortable quoting the terrorists directly, but can tout Fisk as a respected journalist.

Here are some of Fisk's most recent columns. Just reading the headlines one cannot be other than impressed with the total contempt and pessimism that is his stock in trade:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/

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McGentrix wrote:

You should read more of his pablum Frank. It is right up your alley.

Here is a link to his webpage I am sure you will like him. He hates America too.

You hate America, McG.

You oughta be ashamed of yourself!

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Yep...Fisk finds lots wrong with the way Bush and his handlers are doing.

He thinks the invasion of Iraq was a mistake...and that the reasons given were bullshyt.

He thinks the people who were wrong about WMD...who were wrong about Saddam's ties to 9/11...who were wrong about Saddam's ties to Al Qaeda...who were wrong about how the populace would react to our troops...and who were wrong about goddam near everything else...

...should stop pretending that they are now right about how to proceed from here.

Gosh...how unAmerican!

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Bingo! Quote, "Fair question. How would you answer it? If I'm not mistaken, Bin Ladin did threaten us with the same rhetoric shortly before our last election. How did you respond? If he had murdered 20,000 more people on November 1st, would you have stayed home on the 2nd? I suspect the turnout would have been even bigger than it was. I'd like to think so anyway." What the fxxk are we doing in Iraq? It's Osama that's responsible for 9-11, and the following threats against Americans. Maybe you guys haven't noticed yet, but you will - eventually.

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Is that supposed to be an answer?

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Bill, You wouldn't understand, so my post are for those people that do. What have we wrought for the Iraqi's for the following from BBC.
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Rebel blitz on Iraq police posts

A car bombing in Samarra hit civilians and police
Insurgents have launched multiple attacks on Iraqi police posts in Sunni Muslim strongholds north of Baghdad, reportedly killing at least 27 people.
In one of the apparently coordinated strikes, a police station in Dijla, south of Tikrit, was stormed by gunmen who executed 12 officers.

There were at least four other deadly ambushes around Tikrit, US forces said.

US-backed Iraqi security forces have lost hundreds of men in attacks by rebels opposed to US troops in Iraq.

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Commentary:
The barbaric enemy in Iraq hopes we lose the will to fightsource

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Bill, You wouldn't understand, so my post are for those people that do.

It's a rare day when you see a man resort to Ad Hominem to avoid answering his own question. Laughing

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Naw, I just don't enjoy repeating stuff for people like you. Call it what you will. I just don't give a shet.

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McG wrote

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When those “militants” do something particularly barbaric — summarily executing civilians, blowing up police stations, beheading aid workers — the conversation never dwells long on their crimes. Instead, controversy swirls around America’s failure to control “the security situation.”

As well it should. We invaded and now are unable to control the situation. Thus the free nation we promised has turned into a killing field. Is it the fault of the US? Damn right it is. We are losing and the insurgents are making their point through murder and mayhem. The administration keeps saying ther are enough boots on the ground. Just another one of Bush's and his pet dog Rumsfelds lies.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Naw, I just don't enjoy repeating stuff for people like you. Call it what you will. I just don't give a shet.

Repeating stuff? You asked this question:

cicerone imposter wrote:

How would you feel when the candidates are being assassinated and also told that to go to the polls might be your last day?

...then evaded it yourself when it was asked of you... choosing instead to resort to a petty Ad Hominem. What's the matter C.I.? Afraid your answer might nulify the point you were attempting to make with your question? Idea

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It's not a "petty ad hominem," because the question includes the answer. It's obvious to almost everybody, except for you and a few others who can't understand what a "free election" is all about.

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obviously, there are opposing perceptions about the situation in iraq.

some think it's going just great. some think it's a failure. some believe it's somewhere in between.

whatever the hell it is, we need to pressure the country's leadership and kick their partisan, game playing asses in to gear. whether your motivation is the liberal or conservative take, our united goal should be to get the job done quickly, toss 'em the keys, offer a warm good luck and get the hell out of there.

if that means not spending money and time on the pet social engineering that both sides are yammering about, so be it.

this is getting fatally stupider by the day.

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A Killing Field, AU? We'll revisit Pol Pot if we pull out. We're not there now and your absurd comparison belittles the damage done by that fiend.

C.I., that's BS... and you know it... and you're not alone in that knowledge, I assure you. :wink:

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OCCOM BILL
It is indeed a killing field. With the slaughter going on daily. Have you read the papers or seen the news. And with every passing day the killings and the terror becomes more organized and lethal. We are not in control of the situation the insurgents are. Does it compare with what POl Pot did. Of course not and I never intended it should be compared to that. However, has Iraq turned into a killing field indeed it has. Unless we can turn the situation around Bush's alleged goal of a democratic Iraq will never be realized.
Freedom without some semblance of security is an empty promise.

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Only you and a few others know it as BS. Read au's most recent post; it answers all the questions.
Quote, "Freedom without some semblance of security is an empty promise." Decocracy is a long ways off, but you think it will happen on January 30.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Bill, You wouldn't understand, so my post are for those people that do.
It's a rare day when you see a man resort to Ad Hominem to avoid answering his own question.

And to avoid answering others.

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AU, I don't care for the reference anymore than I would if you called it a holocaust. The comparison takes away from the horror that was the Killing Fields.

C.I., I have no illusions about January 30. I do not believe the world changes on that day. I do believe it will signal the beginning of a great new era for Iraqis. On that day, they have the opportunity to tell Bin Ladin, Zarqawi and the rest of the murderers that they do desire self-determination and they will no not be intimidated by the likes of them. If half that nation's eligible voters so much as show up, democracy will have struck a mighty blow to the would-oppressors. It is you; who no longer recognizes the tremendous power of the vote. Ask a Ukrainian if the right to vote is worth fighting for. Idea

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