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Is the world being destroyed?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 08:29 am
@maxdancona,
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The right wing is crazy, they are ignoring the clear science on climate change
and you ignore the entire train of evidence to what has already transpired. Is there a name for that? Im done being laterally insulting , Ill try to remain calm and tret all inquiries equally. It would be nice for you to join in.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 08:42 am
@maxdancona,
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no reputable scientific organization saying that the sea level rise will be 100 meters (they are all saying the real number is 5 meters).
"Reputable"? OOOHHH , I see.only your sources are such eh?
The USGS is the ranking world body on ice sheet/water calcs. The entire ice sheet water post Pleistocene is well over 400 ft because certain areas will still rebound while others are flooded. The USGS has stated that the reach of flooding inland from sea level rise ( the remaining amount is subject to climate )change will top out at a 400+ ft elevation and an internal flooding of over 150 miles.
Youre only predicting what NOAA has laid out for this century nd that was before its been shown that climate change has accelerate in its effect. We will lose most all of the Pacific island nations, most al islands in the MEd and in the S Atlantic. Bangladesh will no longer exist an neither will peninsular Florida. There was a large landmass bwtween E Britain , the LOw ountris, Denmark and partly to Norway. Thi area was inhabited by civilizations of post Solutrean civilizations hich have gone away becaus this landmass, called Doggerland, was inundated
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 09:18 am
@farmerman,
farmerman, you might as well be arguing with oralloy. maxdancona wears ideological spectacles where everything is seen as part of a political spectrum. If one organization warns of a potential rise of 5m in fifty years and another extends current trends forward and hypothesizes 100m in two hundred years, he unfailingly interprets the latter as being part of the "political left". Backing up your point by providing a link to a study is dismissed as "argument by Google".

Moving right along, the world economy, already stressed, is likely to have continuing supply problem. Useful graphs can be found in the link:

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The World Economy’s Supply Chain Problem Keeps Getting Worse

• Shipping shortages spark bidding wars by factory owners
• Rising costs push exporters to raise prices, stoking inflation


A supply chain crunch that was meant to be temporary now looks like it will last well into next year as the surging delta variant upends factory production in Asia and disrupts shipping, posing more shocks to the world economy.

Manufacturers reeling from shortages of key components and higher raw material and energy costs are being forced into bidding wars to get space on vessels, pushing freight rates to records and prompting some exporters to raise prices or simply cancel shipments altogether.

“We can’t get enough components, we can’t get containers, costs have been driven up tremendously,” said Christopher Tse, chief executive officer of Hong Kong-based Musical Electronics Ltd., which makes consumer products from Bluetooth speakers to Rubik’s Cubes.

Tse said the cost of magnets used in the puzzle toy have risen by about 50% since March, increasing the production cost by about 7%. “I don’t know if we can make money from Rubik’s Cubes because prices keep changing.”

China’s determination to stamp out Covid has meant even a small number of cases can cause major disruptions to trade. This month the government temporarily closed part of the world’s third-busiest container port at Ningbo for two weeks after a single dockworker was found to have the delta variant. Earlier this year, wharves in Shenzhen were idled after the discovery of a handful of coronavirus cases.

“Port congestion and a shortage of container shipping capacity may last into the fourth quarter or even mid-2022,” said Hsieh Huey-chuan, president of Taiwan-based Evergreen Marine Corp., the world’s seventh-biggest container liner, at an investor briefing on Aug. 20. “If the pandemic cannot be effectively contained, port congestion may become a new normal.”

The cost of sending a container from Asia to Europe is about 10 times higher than in May 2020, while the cost from Shanghai to Los Angeles has grown more than sixfold, according to the Drewry World Container Index. The global supply chain has become so fragile that a single, small accident “could easily have its effects compounded,” HSBC Holdings Plc. said in a note.

Higher freight rates and semiconductor prices could feed into inflation, said Chua Hak Bin, senior economist at Maybank Kim Eng Research Pte. in Singapore. In addition, producers including Taiwan’s Giant Manufacturing Co., the world’s biggest bicycle maker, say they will raise prices to reflect the increased costs.

In the U.S., forecasters have lowered growth projections for this year and lifted inflation expectations into 2022, according to Bloomberg’s latest monthly survey of economists. Compared to a year earlier, the personal consumption expenditures price index is now expected to rise 4% in the third quarter and 4.1% in the fourth, double the Federal Reserve’s 2% goal.

Hong Kong-based coffee-machine maker Eric Chan doesn’t see the crunch easing for months as he juggles a supply line that involves hundreds of components to meet booming demand for kitchen appliances.

“We are storing up critical components for one year of usage because if we miss one component, we cannot manufacture the products,” said Chan, chief executive of Town Ray Holdings Ltd., which gets 90% of sales from household brand names in Europe.

The spread of the delta variant, especially in Southeast Asia, is making it difficult for many factories to operate at all. In Vietnam, the world’s second-largest producer of footwear and clothing, the government has ordered manufacturers to allow workers to sleep in their factories to try to keep exports moving.

Even mighty Toyota Motor Corp. is affected. The automaker warned this month it will suspend output at 14 plants across Japan and slash production by 40% due to supply disruptions including chip shortages.

On the other side of the planet, companies in the U.K. are grappling with record low levels of stock and retail selling prices are rising at the fastest pace since November 2017.

Germany’s recovery is also under threat. A key measure of business confidence in Europe’s largest economy, released on Wednesday by the Munich-based Ifo institute. fell by more than economists had predicted with the drop blamed in part on shortages for metals, plastic products and semiconductors, among other goods.

What Bloomberg Economics Says...

"It is hard to see supply chain bottlenecks being resolved any time soon, with some major exporters including Indonesia and Vietnam still struggling to contain the delta outbreak. It could continue to drag on the global recovery by slowing production and pushing up costs, although not derailing it."

Chang Shu, chief Asia economist


At the heart of the price pressures is the transportation bottleneck.

Big retailers tend to have long-term contracts with container lines, but Asian production relies on networks of tens of thousands of small and medium-sized producers who often arrange shipping through logistics firms and freight forwarders. They in turn have been struggling to secure space for clients as vessel owners sell to the highest bidders.

Some 60% to 70% of shipping deals on the Asia-America route are done through spot or short-term deals, according to Michael Wang, an analyst at President Capital Management Corp. He said auction-style pricing may continue until Chinese New Year in February 2022.

Buyers agree. In Germany, more than half of the 3,000 firms polled by the Association of German Chambers of Industry and Commerce expected widespread supply-chain problems to persist into next year.

‘No Choice’

“Now container liners don’t sign long-term agreements, and most deals are done by spot prices,” said Jason Lo, CEO of Taiwanese gym equipment maker Johnson Health Tech Co. He said it was becoming impossible to estimate shipping costs and do financial planning, but “we have no choice.”

Colin Sung, general manager of Dongguan-based World-Beater International Logistics Co., said one client had more than 70 containers of goods sitting at a warehouse in Shenzhen because his American buyer didn’t want to pay the shipping cost. Sung said 60% to 70% of his clients have cut shipments due to rising costs.

Choke on the Water

For Asian factories outside China, the problem is even worse. Many Chinese companies are willing to pay above-market rates to load their cargo, said a spokesman at HMM Co., South Korea’s biggest container line. So when the ships call at ports outside China, they’re already almost full.

Chinese companies that spent decades shifting production of lower-value components to cheaper labor markets in South and Southeast Asia now face the headache of trying to get those parts to factories where they can be assembled into finished products.

“We are talking about a lot of money just to move things around,” said Sunny Tan, executive vice president of Luen Thai International Group Ltd., which makes clothing and leather handbags for global brands.

As factories succumb to lock-downs, manufacturers are forced into a game of whac-a-mole, switching raw materials from one country to another. Some have resorted to air-freighting materials such as leather to factories to keep production lines rolling.

Meanwhile, Luen Thai’s Tan, who is also Deputy Chairman of the Federation of Hong Kong Industries, is trying to figure out how he’ll fill festive display windows in time for Christmas. “I wish when shoppers see our product they give it a kiss when they realize how difficult it was just to get it to the shelf.”

bloomberg
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 09:25 am
Climate change be damned. More Americans are moving to high-risk areas

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CNN)Seventeen years ago, when Adriana Nichols moved from New York City to Los Angeles, she had a simple wish list: natural light (her New York studio apartment was dark), a yard and quiet neighbors. She managed to check everything off that list -- and has spent nearly two decades living in the canyons of LA.

But today, as she looks to move again with her husband, her requirements have changed.

"It is profoundly a different wish list. A place where we have [running] water, where we are not... having bags packed in case fires evacuate us," said Nichols.

In the last few years, Nichols says the California wildfires and poor air quality make living there unappealing -- and downright scary.

But she says nearly everyplace she looks to move to is experiencing some element of climate risk. And a new analysis by Redfin, a real estate brokerage, reveals more Americans are moving into areas that face the highest climate risks than ever before.

Redfin analyzed data from ClimateCheck, a real estate climate risk assessment provider, and the US Census, which showed that of the top 50 US counties facing climate risks in heat, storms, drought, flood and fire -- the majority saw an increase in population over the last five years.

Counties with homes facing the highest heat risk saw populations increase by an average of 4.7% over the last five years. Counties with homes facing high drought risk saw population growth of 3.5%, fire risk counties grew by 3%, flood 1.9%, and storm 0.4% over the last five years.

Meanwhile, places with relatively low climate risks have experienced population declines. The 50 counties with the lowest number of homes facing heat risk, for example, saw a population loss of 1.4% in the last five years, according to Redfin.

Counties around New York City and Chicago -- both in states that were already leading the US in population decline -- only lost more people during the pandemic when homebuyers left metro areas in exodus, according to Redfin.

"Counterintuitively, people are moving to places with higher climate risk," said Daryl Fairweather, chief economist at Redfin. "And it seems like climate, although it's something that people care about, is at the bottom of the list or it's not the top priority."

For example, migration to Wasatch County, Utah, just outside Salt Lake City, is up almost 15% in the last five years. But Wasatch County has the third-highest fire risk in the US, with 96% of the homes there at risk, according to Redfin. The area became even more popular in the last year amid the pandemic, with people looking for affordability, more space and proximity to the outdoors.

"2020 saw some of the worst wildfires we've ever seen in Utah," said Ryan Aycock, agent and market manager for Redfin in Salt Lake City. "I don't necessarily believe that it's going to slow down the people moving into the area. It's still extremely affordable. It's still a very desirable place to live compared to a lot of places."

Affordability appears to be a big factor. Of the 50 counties with the largest share of homes facing high heat and storm risk, more than half had a median sale price below the national average of $315,000, Redfin found.

'Nothing will deter them'

Williamson County, Texas -- part of the Austin metro area -- has the highest heat risk in the US, yet it's the county with the biggest growth in population, at 16.3% since 2016, according to Redfin.

"People live in San Francisco or New York for the most part because it's where they are able to advance their careers the most, but now Austin is starting to rise as a tech hub and Austin has climate risk," said Fairweather.
It's also where people are buying their second homes -- followed by Florida, where homebuyers are taking advantage of lower taxes, said Scott Durkin, CEO of Douglas Elliman.

"I think people continue to put [climate risk] in the back of their minds. I think there are people that will do anything to be on the ocean and the coast of Florida and nothing, nothing will deter them," said Durkin.

That's despite a record-breaking Atlantic hurricane season last year. And the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is predicting a 60% chance of an above-normal hurricane season again this year, with Florida often a target.

Still, home sales in Palm Beach and Miami, are up 270% and 133%, respectively, since last year, according to Douglas Elliman.

During the pandemic-fueled red-hot housing market, many buyers waived home inspections to beat out other buyers, according to Durkin. However, in climate temperate areas, Durkin advises against that.

"If you've got something that has the elements of the strong weather or... subject to heavy winds and waves breaking and beach erosion, you have to really think twice. You may want to get the inspection on the way in before you even negotiate, just so you know for yourself," said Durkin.

As for Nichols, she wants to be out of her Los Angeles home in a matter of months.

"It's no longer a question of, 'Where do we want to live?' The question has become, 'Where can we live in relationship to what's happening there climate wise?'" said Nichols.

cnn
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 10:22 am
@hightor,
You are being silly Hightor. Did you even read this story?

1) This story is about the Covid-19 pandemic. The Supply Chain problems are a direct result of the Virus. This isn't a story about the world going to **** (I hate to kill you buzz). This is a story of the world dealing with a global pandemic which will end (as all pandemics end).

2) There were similar economic problem with other global pandemics... except in history they were worse.

You are really pushing this outrage porn to a new level.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 10:34 am
@maxdancona,
I feel that we should separate economic/ecological outrage porn into two different categories.

1) Short term bad news... We are in the middle of a global pandemic, things are bad!

2) Long term bad news... The World is Going to ****, the Oceans are rising, the Bees are disappearing, and we are all going to die!

Should we call this "softcore" and "hardcore"? It is difficult to get excited to news about the pandemic which in a few years will be history.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 10:53 am
I think the porn metaphor is appropriate in a couple of levels.

1) These stories have one purpose. They aren't chosen to inform people. They aren't written to suggest solutions or ways forward. They aren't presenting a balanced view. Their only purpose to to invoke an excited response leading to an intense emotional release.

2) There is a disconnect from reality. Hightor presented his breathless story about shipping rates as if it supported his titillating narrative of the world being destroyed.. it doesn't support this narrative, but that doesn't matter.

If you think about it, these stories (as well the other type of porn) are real in the physical sense. The things being portrayed in porn are actually happening... but the meaning is somehow fake and if we think about it we know that the story being painted isn't quite real

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 11:44 am
@farmerman,
Farmerman,

Is the USGS (or any other reputable scientific organization) predicting that sea level rise will be more than 100 meters? If not... then what you are saying about the past is history, and you projecting into the future is science fiction.

The worst case predictions I see from actual modern scientists actively working on the problem is 5 meters (and this is the worse case). Do you really want to reject the climate models for some farcical extrapolation from the pleistocene? I think you are being silly.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 12:33 pm
@maxdancona,
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You are being silly Hightor.

Oh, I see, start off with a personal insult. How scientific of you.

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Did you even read this story?

Actually I did. It's an example of the increasing fragility of the networks that we rely on to maintain our standard of living in the developed economies. The fact that a pandemic can do this merely shows our vulnerability.

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If you think about it, these stories (as well the other type of porn) are real in the physical sense. The things being portrayed in porn are actually happening... but the meaning is somehow fake and if we think about it we know that the story being painted isn't quite real

I don't know what you're talking about. You're apparently incapable of simply making a comment on the content of the article, which could hardly be characterized as "breathless", and instead go back to your usual ploy of trying to provoke a personal argument. Which I'm not interested in pursuing.

By the way, I put up an article on the Coronavirus thread which suggests that corona virus will eventually turn into something like the common cold or the flu, which we will learn to accept.

The reason pandemics are related to the other subjects in this thread is that they threaten international commerce in a way which previous ones didn't, because of our dependence on reliable delivery of important materials. We are more susceptible to social disruption even if we're less likely to suffer deaths on the scale of the 1918 pandemic. And a future pandemic might be even more virulent so, with luck, this may be a useful warning.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 01:09 pm
@hightor,
Again, you are overhyping the story. We are in the middle of a pandemic. There are economic consequences (in this case shipping problems and inflationary pressures). You are putting this in a thread about the world being destroyed. That is what is silly.

This is not the end of the world (just like everything else on this silly thread).

Yes, these are all stories about real issues. But you are using them for outrage porn. I don't have a clue of what you would do about the shipping problem... I don't think you do either. You aren't talking about real solutions, or even giving thoughtful ideas about these problems.

You posted this story as another titillating problem for you to obsess about. I promise you that in a couple of years, the covid pandemic will have played itself out, the economy will go on... and ironically you will be whining about the increase in shipping in some ideological narrative of the evils of corporations or something.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 01:27 pm
@maxdancona,
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You are putting this in a thread about the world being destroyed.

As I've told you repeatedly (most recently here), this thread is not about "the world being destroyed". The OP gave it that title and disappeared. I revived it specifically to collect articles and studies primarily concerning negative environmental trends and occasionally economic and social trends of interest.
maxdancona wrote:
I promise you that in a couple of years, the covid pandemic will have played itself out, the economy will go on...

I wrote:
By the way, I put up an article on the Coronavirus thread which suggests that corona virus will eventually turn into something like the common cold or the flu, which we will learn to accept.

Responding to you is such a waste of time. And I've spent more than enough time with you today.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 01:39 pm
@hightor,
You are under no obligation to respond to any of my posts.

I am here to push back against an ideological narrative that I find extreme, and counter-productive. The stories being posted range from informative, to ridiculous. But my objection is that in context these stories present a one-sided, exaggerated view that isn't supported by the facts.

The facts are that

1) Global warming is caused by human beings and is a serious problem that will have real consequences .

2) There is no indication that Global Warming will end life on Earth or human civilization. These predictions aren't supported by any reputable scientific organizations (i.e. the IPCC, the NOAA, NASA, AAAS, etc).

3) Human progress has created a host of problems that we need to deal with, including the loss of species and the impact of plastics on maritime environments. None of these is predicted to end all life on Earth or to end human civilization.

4) Human progress has created great benefits. These include the near elimination of starvation (in spite of growing global population), the doubling of life expectancy in most parts of the globe, great progress in ending extreme poverty and general progress in health and human rights (not to mention a 70 year dip to historical record lows in deaths due to military conflict).

So, go ahead... post articles about problems. But to post ONLY the most exaggerated articles about every problem, with no balance on progress is wrong.

There is question that even with the Pandemic... Human health is better than any time in history. We are living longer and facing less childhood mortality and developing vaccines to pandemics (something that never happened before).

The narrative that the World is going to **** just doesn't match the facts.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 01:42 pm
@maxdancona,
The worst part of this ideological narrative is that it is counter-productive.

Instead of bringing people together, extremism drives people into separate camps. We now have a very divided country in the US where the to sides are so far apart they have trouble working together even when it clearly benefits everyone.

Either you "defeat the Trump supporters" or you make progress against climate change. You can't do both. The fact is that 46% of voters, voted for Trump. The fact is we live in a Democracy. Either you learn to reach out to people you disagree with, or you are doomed to spending eternity locked in a political mud throwing contest where nothing gets done.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 04:23 pm
@maxdancona,
Yawn...

I wrote:
We aren't policymakers, we're not consultants, we're not public figures with wide influence. We're the same few people, identified by our avatars and (for the most part) pseudonyms, interacting via computer monitors, on a somewhat obscure message board. We can bat around ideas that would never even be presented before a legislature, let alone adopted by lawmakers and accepted by the public, maybe simply to provoke discussion or test out an idea. Seriously, I don't think this is the sort of place where pressing global issues are expected to be solved and settled.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2021 06:18 pm
@hightor,
Your position represents the liberal orthodoxy (to me at least). You have an ideological narrative that you treat as if it were absolute truth. You hold to that narrative even when it contradicts with facts.

You are making valid points, and then you are taking them too far. You start with with a factual basis to make a reasonable and important point. Then you push that idea to the point it is ridiculous.

1) Animals are facing extinction to an unprecedented extent. This is troubling and an important story that we should do something about. It doesn't mean that life on Earth is ending

2) Bees and some other important pollinators are facing pressures due to human development and are decreasing in number. This doesn't mean that pollinators are going to disappear from the face of Earth ending agriculture.

3) Plastics are being found in alarming (though miniscule) amounts in marine environments. This doesn't mean the end of marine life as we know it

The problem is the exaggeration. It hurts public discourse because if everything is a world ending crisis, then nothing can be worked out calmly and nothing can be compromised.

You are right that we are on an obscure website. This is discussion needs to happen publicly, and maybe here I am just practicing for a bigger stage someday.

The political left has some valid points, but they take it to a ridiculous extreme while shutting out any other point of view.

.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2021 10:53 am
@maxdancona,
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It doesn't mean that life on Earth is ending


Yawn...no one is saying that.

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This doesn't mean that pollinators are going to disappear from the face of Earth ending agriculture.


It will if we continue to broadcast certain insecticides and or use systemics rather than topical applications. Pollenators could become
"functionally extinct", which means their numbers decline to the point where they no longer fulfill their environmental role. I also refer you back to the study I linked to earlier.

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This doesn't mean the end of marine life as we know it

Unless you can post findings from "reputable scientific organizations" which confirm that opinion, it's simply an assertion backed only by your "ideological narrative©". We don't know how serious the problem is or how it will act in effect with other serious problems facing marine life.

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It hurts public discourse because if everything is a world ending crisis, then nothing can be worked out calmly and nothing can be compromised.

No, the world isn't "ending".
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2021 11:23 am
@maxdancona,
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This is discussion needs to happen publicly, and maybe here I am just practicing for a bigger stage someday.


Which is one of the reasons I don't understand your hostility to the fact that this material is being posted here. If you want to counter these views on a public stage you should be made aware of them. Political change is a dialectical process, after all. Your attitude is that of a censor. And often an ill-tempered one, at that.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2021 01:21 pm
@hightor,
I don't think you know what the word "censor" means.

I have never suggested that you shouldn't be allowed to post anything here. I haven't even thumbed down any of your posts.

I strongly support your right to post your opinions here even though I disagree with many of them. Do you support mine?
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2021 01:59 pm
@maxdancona,
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I have never suggested that you shouldn't be allowed to post anything here.

It's just that you keep harping about it. Practically every article I post gets the same treatment – "Why are you posting this? Why don't you post positive news? This is extremism that makes everything worse!" Really, it seems it would please you if you never saw this perspective aired at all.

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I haven't even thumbed down any of your posts.

Nor I any of yours.

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Do you support mine?

Sure, as long as they're directed toward the content of the quoted text and not on my personal motives or choice of stories. I feel that the important points which might be discussed are often short-circuited by your antagonism at me for even posting them at all. Let's drop it. Do you want to respond to the actual point of my post, the need for negative, radical, or otherwise troubling points of view to be aired? This thread is not about "balance". It's about the basis for the current material, rather than spiritual, reasons for questioning the future quality of life on this planet. And I'll say it again, a thread on constructive developments might be a better place to post that sort of news.
I wrote:
If you want to counter these views on a public stage you should be made aware of them. Political change is a dialectical process, after all.

Believe me, we get plenty of the, "It won't be that bad. Technology will take care of it. We've never had it so good" line of thought. I believe that our overwhelming faith in ourselves is one of the reasons we've been loath to take any meaningful global action. I'd also be interested in how you think we can overcome the problems posed by the myopic self-concerns of "nation states" as I mentioned in a previous post.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2021 11:54 pm
@hightor,
My "antogonism" is toward an ideological narrative. It is not toward you. You keep making posts to push this ideological narrative. I keep on making posts challenging it.

I don't see what your complaint is. If you really want to prevent your ideological narrative from being challenged... sorry, on a public site that isn't reasonable.

Part of my criticism of your posts on this thread is exactly the idea of what you are calling "meaningful global action". You haven't really specified a reasonable course of action. You are pushing a couple ideological dogmas... you oppose capitalism and you seem to have an aversion to technology. But it is unclear what you propose to do.

Take plastics for example. You have typed many posts about the evil of plastics on plastic keys... but you haven't offered any solutions. Getting rid of plastics would have an inordinate on people in poverty who depend on plastic for housing, water, and medicine (wealthy people have alternatives).

I could make the same point about agriculture (poor people can't afford organic food) and many other issues.

If you were talking about practical solutions, rather than just harping on problems, that might be a little more productive.
 

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