Is the world being destroyed?

extremme environmental catastrophism need go no farther than to view the Sahara as an xample. Its Holocene history has gone from lush jungle and Savannalnds with lakes and this has all gone south in the Post Glacial (Mindel Glaciation). This has ld to an extreme change in climate patterns for the AFrican and American Continents.

This has nothing to do with the opening of the Mediterranean desert into a sea of the same name. we are maybe going to experience climate changes that will resultin piling just a few degrees C avg temps. These shifts will cause large portions of the earth to become actually unlivable.
I think we can list a few without going into deep "scientific records rsearch"

1Avg ocean rise of at least 400 ft

2 extinction of C3 plants

3 desertification expansion due to climate change dewatering and xtreme scouring by firestorms


4 complete drowning of major estuaries worldwide

\THEN, on top of this, once the ocean streams like Labrador, Gulf STream, Japanese Currents, Pacific gyres, lose their strength at moerating climate, we will, no doubt enjoy a rapid return to an ACTUAL ICE AGE. The physics and hydrology behind this concept is pretty compelling .

Ill be good and dead when it happens but , if we cant return to a
more reasonable "Tipping point" we could see a return to a minor Cryogenian pwriod after we get done wasting the planet by heat.

Remember there were at least 5 planet-wide cryogenians A major one during the Grenville (Ediacara) and 4 others in the Pleiocene and Pleistocene

Hopefully we will take steps to actively cool the planet and prevent that from happening until after we abandon the planet for a different star system in the distant future.

Are you suggesting that the sea level rise from climate change could be 400 ft? 400ft is more than 100 meters.

The worst case predictions through the year 2300 from NOAA, NASA and the IPCC has the sea level rise under 5 meters (and that is the worst case prediction assuming humans do nothing in the next 200+ years).

I don't know if you are really suggesting this ridiculous 400ft number. But man, this is far beyond what science is saying.

The exaggerations on this thread are the problem.

I'm not certain as to the exact level that the sea would rise, but I believe he is referring to the effects of the complete melting of all ice in both polar regions.

There is in fact quite a bit of ice locked up in Antarctica.

Genesis 7: 11-12; When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month ‘ALL THE OUTLETS OF THE VAST BODY OF WATER BENEATH THE EARTH BURST OPEN’, all the floodgates of the sky were opened, and rain fell on the earth for forty days and nights.

Scientists have long suspected there was a lot of water beneath our feet, but this may be the first direct evidence that a vast reservoir of water is locked inside the mantle’s “Transition Zone.” The significance: if just one percent of the “Transition Zone” is made up of water, researchers say, it would triple the amount of water on the Earth’s surface.

Scientific researchers today, have absolutely no idea of how much water is locked up in the transition zone, and yet they believe that if just one percent of the “transition Zone” is made up of water, it would triple the amount of water on the Earth’s surface. But if in the future it is discovered that much, more than one percent of the “transition zone” is made up of water, then how high would our oceans rise?

You're a real comedian.

Check it out kiddo, others will.

Ya know, the number keeps varying from 200 to 400 ft (70 to 120 M). Best case from NOAA is 230 ft sea level rise . Theyre talking about Greenland and Antarctic caps and the small amt of land locked Arctic Ice cap. The 400 ft "effect" is if all ice melted. I have no idea about "Noints" "Transition zone " we know that a hydrologic zone of suburface water is not much more than 1200ft on avg at roughly 7% porosity.

5 m will occur within our lives at present rates of deglaciation.

remember, greenland is technically still in a pleistocene environment

Here's a little interesting read for you kiddo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/16/study-deep-beneath-north-america-theres-more-water-than-in-all-the-oceans-combined/

like 5 m?.

Youve ignored the Saharan extreme climate change, WHY? doesnt fit your cotton candy Worldview??

From the link provided.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/16/study-deep-beneath-north-america-theres-more-water-than-in-all-the-oceans-combined/

Then, “once the water is released,” researcher Jacobsen added, “much of it may become trapped there in the transition zone” about 400 miles deep in the Earth.

And its a good thing, too, Jacobsen told New Scientist: “We should be grateful for this deep reservoir. If it wasn’t there, it would be on the surface of the Earth, and mountain tops would be the only land poking out.”

I wish newspapers would get their **** edited better. Theyre talking about connate water (mineralogical hydration). water of hydration is a significant proportion of deep silicate minerals that are in a plastic form and make up stuff like serpentinites, altered olivine, called ringwoodite and several other silicates (look to a text on anatektic alteration on minerals ). Hydrated silicates wont run all over th ground and water yer tomatoes. You have to gt the minerals up to 500C to even dehydrate m.

Sorta like slaked high Ca limestone, we bake out the connate water and we get concrete. The water in quartz magmas is why we get these terrifically explosive volcanos along subduction zones (Mt St Hlens , Chimberatzo etc) Deep magamas are more "basic" and flow like hot honey (canadian shield , Deccan Trappes, Hawaian volcanoes)

We know all that mate, now you explain how the water got there and under what circumstances can it, or a proportion of it, ever be released?

For the benefit of others, and Just in case you did not read the link provides, here are a few excerpts from said link, but first, your quote.


Actually, according to fresh research 'PUBLISHED' in this issue of Science, it may be substantially more than that. The findings, researchers theorize, tell us what makes our planet blue and suggests how the Earth formed. The oceans weren’t perhaps the product of icy comets as earlier research theorized, but were the result of geological and tectonic activity THAT DROVE WATER TO THE SURFACE.

(If it happened before???)

“Geological processes on the Earth’s surface, such as earthquakes or erupting volcanoes, are an expression of what is going on inside the Earth, out of our sight,” co-author Steve Jacobsen of Northwestern University said in a statement. “I think we are finally seeing evidence for a whole-Earth water cycle, which may help explain the vast amount of liquid water on the surface of our habitable planet. Scientists have been looking for this missing deep water for decades.”

Scientists have long suspected there was a lot of water beneath our feet, but this may be the first direct evidence that a vast reservoir of water is locked inside the mantle’s “transitional zone.” The significance: If just 1 percent of the “transitional zone” is made up of water, researchers say, it would triple the amount of water on the Earth’s surface.

Obviously you didnt. Connate waters will be released under high temps. We cant pump it.

I really dont know how all the water got here, its not my area of expertise, Unlike you, I try to keep my" facts" in line and dont go spurting Alley Oop **** as science. I have a license to practice , not on to Bullshit .
Im a Sigma Xi so Science comes with my membership. Also Nature AGU and GIA . Do you read the "give and take" among researchrs?? Or , as I suspect, you only seem to clip links and dont get full stories of anything more hey than how many angels can crap on a pinhead.

You consistently mix up connate with available liquid water. Two different things. Saturated zone is less than 1500 ft total, connate waters exist through the upper mantle. (Where silicates can survive in platy structure.

Science is Objective. My "world view" is to reject the right wing extremism saying that there is no climate change (or that it won't matter). I also reject the left wing extremism suggesting that some "tipping point" will end to the end of human life of civilization.

The right wing is crazy, they are ignoring the clear science on climate change.

The left wing is exaggerating the science on climate change. The current "worst case" prediction has the sea level rising under 5 meters by the year 2300. This is based on the climate models.

There is no reputable scientific organization saying that the sea level rise will be 100 meters (they are all saying the real number is 5 meters).

Of course a 5 meter sea level rise is a big deal. This will impact millions of human beings and cause problems for major cities. But it isn't 100 meters.

The left wing is exaggerating the science. They are making up things that go far beyond the facts. This actually hurts their message, because one they turn what should be a fact-based non-political effort to fix a serious problem has now become an ideological battle based on old lines.

Like you say: You really don't know how all the water got here, its not your area of expertise, and obviously, you also haven't a clue if those waters can be released, and if so, then how are those water released, as was revealed in the scriptures; Genesis 7: 11; "When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month all the outlets of the 'VAST BODY OF WATER BENEATH THE EARTH BURST OPEN', etc".

Oh, how you hate it when modern day science proves, that which was recorded in the scriptures thousands of years ago, was true. Truths such as the creation of the icy firmament in which our Solar system was created and the fact that the earth was created before the sun, and that life had begun to evolve on earth before the proto-sun burst into life and light.

Good night old mate.

such as the creation of the icy firmament in which our Solar system was created and the fact that the earth was created before the sun, and that life had begun to evolve on earth before the proto-sun burst into life and light.

Oh me -

Actually it doesnt bother me at all when something of a folk tale shows us to have some roots in fact. (like the origins of the Genesis Flood story have roots in local flood events to which bulma had finally stipulated). However, nothing youve said has yet attained that plateau . You dont yet understand what connate water is and yet your trying to argue for someone else. Youre precious May I say?