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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2015 05:31 am
If not in physical form, then what, intellectual form, or moral form? Hinge's criticisms would stand--the god of your scripture is a nasty, murderous, capricious and arbitrary icon of cruelty and indifference.
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2015 06:58 am
@Leadfoot,
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I'll try again. Do you really think 'created in the image of God' means the physical human form?


You were the one that suggested it:

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I'd create them in a form that I could relate to


I was the one who questioned it.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2015 11:35 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot Quote:
"I'll try again. Do you really think 'created in the image of God' means the physical human form?"


You were the one that suggested it:
Not by any streatch have I suggested that. What I have often said is that it means we can relate to him, have the same core values, experience the same emotions, etc.

But I have probably over-stayed my welcome in the 'atheist only' zone. Let's have some more good cartoons and memes.
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2015 06:12 pm
@Leadfoot,
You used the word 'form' regardless of your intention, but, for your request:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10268651_1113228438704767_8151035290200766159_n.jpg?oh=b2c6012c3c5281007b85c127ba60edc0&oe=56C6E151&__gda__=1451577454_e51488569997a558f5ad63f062dda9b9
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 07:13 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
You used the word 'form' regardless of your intention, but, for your request:
You took 'form' out of the context I used it in. Reading the original message there is no reason to think I meant 'physical form'.

But on to the meme:

One of the reasons I think the bible has some validity is just what your last meme pointed out. After all that time, distroyed original texts, later attempts to ban/obliterate the book, translations of translations, etc, I would expect so much distortion and contradiction as to make finding a unique and coherent message in it impossible. I was completely surprised to find that it had just such a message that answered a lot of my questions about life. I find that to be almost miraculous. BTW, it never makes the claim of being 'the word of God'.

But speaking of implausible, atheists and most scientists believe that life arose completely by accident due to naturally occuring causes (not including intelligence). They believe this in the complete absense of ANY evidence. None, zipp, nada, etc. That to me (and here I am speaking with my engineer's hat on) is insanity. Abiogenesis is a completely unscientific myth.
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 04:22 pm
@Leadfoot,
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I would expect so much distortion and contradiction as to make finding a unique and coherent message in it impossible.


Oh it has messages alright, almost all to support the politics of the writers at any particular time - the first 4 centuries of the new testament's history are like a shadow of the struggle for power in Judea - it's really quite interesting.

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I was completely surprised to find that it had just such a message that answered a lot of my questions about life.


Well I'm happy for you (although I really suspect you haven't read that much of it considering your disagreement to my 'God takes sides' assertion. My problem is that people (perhaps like you) expect everyone else to get meaning from it, or worse, live by it's strictures dogmatically.

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I find that to be almost miraculous.

Like you find abiogenesis, no doubt.

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BTW, it never makes the claim of being 'the word of God'.

But too many of its followers do. And they do nasty things to people who don't.

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But speaking of implausible, atheists and most scientists believe that life arose completely by accident due to naturally occuring causes (not including intelligence). They believe this in the complete absense of ANY evidence. None, zipp, nada, etc. That to me (and here I am speaking with my engineer's hat on) is insanity. Abiogenesis is a completely unscientific myth.


You may be engineer, but you are no scientist. That is a ludicrous assertion. And completely unscientific. It's not proven or disproven. But a creator who always existed is scientific? Gimme a break.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 04:45 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Leadfoot Quote:
"But speaking of implausible, atheists and most scientists believe that life arose completely by accident due to naturally occuring causes (not including intelligence). They believe this in the complete absense of ANY evidence. None, zipp, nada, etc. That to me (and here I am speaking with my engineer's hat on) is insanity. Abiogenesis is a completely unscientific myth."


You may be engineer, but you are no scientist. That is a ludicrous assertion. And completely unscientific. It's not proven or disproven. But a creator who always existed is scientific? Gimme a break


Me not being a scientist does not negate the fact I asserted and no scientist disagrees with me. Either there is evidence of abiogenesis or there is not, and the fact is there is none. So what makes my assertion ludicrous? Or was that just your emotional reaction when you have nothing to refute it with?

BTW, I never asserted that a creator is 'scientific'.
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 04:52 pm
@Leadfoot,
It's a theory, silly billy. The search for evidence continues. And indeed there ared things that would prove it is true once found. i.e. it is testable. There is a tendency toward organisation in the inorganic, and the organic can be terribly simply - both ends move toward the 'missing link'.

To dismiss it out of hand, is well, reminiscent of other theories discounted for lack of a 'missing link'.

Yes, you are being unscientific.

Nice to know that you don't think the creator is unscientific - because in your binary world (as per your stance on abiogenesis) things are either 'scientific' or 'myth'.

At least we agree on something.
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 06:19 pm
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New evidence emerges on the origins of life
June 1, 2015


New research shows that the close linkage between the physical properties of amino acids, the genetic code, and protein folding was likely the key factor in the evolution from building blocks to organisms in Earth's primordial soup. Credit: Gerald Prins
In the beginning, there were simple chemicals. And they produced amino acids that eventually became the proteins necessary to create single cells. And the single cells became plants and animals. Recent research is revealing how the primordial soup created the amino acid building blocks, and there is widespread scientific consensus on the evolution from the first cell into plants and animals. But it's still a mystery how the building blocks were first assembled into the proteins that formed the machinery of all cells. Now, two long-time University of North Carolina scientists - Richard Wolfenden, PhD, and Charles Carter, PhD - have shed new light on the transition from building blocks into life some 4 billion years ago.
"Our work shows that the close linkage between the physical properties of amino acids, the genetic code, and protein folding was likely essential from the beginning, long before large, sophisticated molecules arrived on the scene," said Carter, professor of biochemistry and biophysics at the UNC School of Medicine. "This close interaction was likely the key factor in the evolution from building blocks to organisms."
Their findings, published in companion papers in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, fly in the face of the problematic "RNA world" theory, which posits that RNA - the molecule that today plays roles in coding, regulating, and expressing genes - elevated itself from the primordial soup of amino acids and cosmic chemicals to give rise first to short proteins called peptides and then to single-celled organisms.
Wolfenden and Carter argue that RNA did not work alone; in fact, it was no more likely that RNA catalyzed peptide formation than it was for peptides to catalyze RNA formation.
The finding adds a new layer to the story of how life evolved billions of years ago.
Its name was LUCA
The scientific community recognizes that 3.6 billion years ago there existed the last universal common ancestor, or LUCA, of all living things presently on Earth. It was likely a single-cell organism. It had a few hundred genes. It already had complete blueprints for DNA replication, protein synthesis, and RNA transcription. It had all the basic components - such as lipids - that modern organisms have. From LUCA forward, it's relatively easy to see how life as we know it evolved.
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http://phys.org/news/2015-06-evidence-emerges-life.html
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 06:41 pm
@FBM,
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But it's still a mystery how the building blocks were first assembled into the proteins that formed the machinery of all cells.

All the rest of that article was just fluff trying to disguise this central truth.

There were many other over-simplifications and outright distortions but to get into the details would probably bore everyone here.
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 06:48 pm
@Leadfoot,
Beats the **** out of anything you've shown as evidence for your invisible friend of the gaps. Laughing
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 06:50 pm
@hingehead,
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At least we agree on something.

I can't tell what that would be from your last response. You may be getting 'un-hinged'.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 06:53 pm
@FBM,
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Beats the **** out of anything you've shown as evidence for your invisible friend of the gaps. Laughing


Ah yes, when all else fails, just scoff...
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 07:15 pm
@Leadfoot,
Show some evidence for your invisible friend that is at least as strong as what the scientists have produced for their claims. Then you'll have a legitimate argument. Until then, you're just stumping for Bronze Age myths.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 08:48 pm
@Leadfoot,
I'll write it for you slowly.

You said God is unscientific.

You said abiogenesis is unscientific i.e. Myth.

Ergo: God is myth.

Thus we agree on something.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2015 09:27 pm
@hingehead,
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You said God is unscientific.

No, I said that I had not asserted that God was 'scientific'. (I'm not even sure what that would mean if I had.)

I'll spell it out for you.
Saying that I had not said something is not the same as saying the opposite of that thing.
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 01:40 am
@Leadfoot,
Dull sophistry.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 01:43 am
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/11109559_1048143378547440_1751451157236860108_n.jpg
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 02:11 am
@hingehead,
"Dull sophistry" . . . i like that.
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FBM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 06:50 am
Interesting.

http://www.psypost.org/2015/10/scientists-reduce-belief-in-god-by-shutting-down-the-brains-medial-frontal-cortex-38516

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Scientists reduce belief in God by shutting down the brain’s medial frontal cortex

New research involving a psychologist from the University of York has revealed for the first time that both belief in God and prejudice towards immigrants can be reduced by directing magnetic energy into the brain.

Dr Keise Izuma collaborated with a team from the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), to carry out an innovative experiment using transcranial magnetic stimulation, a safe way of temporarily shutting down specific regions of the brain.

The researchers targeted the posterior medial frontal cortex, a part of the brain located near the surface and roughly a few inches up from the forehead that is associated with detecting problems and triggering responses that address them.

In the study, half of the participants received a low-level “sham” procedure that did not affect their brains, and half received enough energy to lower activity in the target brain area. Next, all of the participants were first asked to think about death, and then were asked questions about their religious beliefs and their feelings about immigrants.

The findings, published in the journal Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience, reveal that people in whom the targeted brain region was temporarily shut down reported 32.8% less belief in God, angels, or heaven. They were also 28.5% more positive in their feelings toward an immigrant who criticised their country.
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