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FBM
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 06:50 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

FBM wrote:
He's just describing the god of the gaps fallacy. What's wrong with that?
Nothing.
But god of the gaps is strictly non sequitur:
Mom says "Who spilled milk on the floor?"
Junior says "I dunno. Dog did it"


But a family would already know whether or not they have a dog. If the kid says, 'If you don't know, then there must be an invisible dog in the house that did it,' then we're looking at a god of the gaps-type claim.

Tyson didn't say anything out of line, as far as I can tell, and I don't see how it's a non sequitur in the context he was discussing.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 07:03 pm
http://www.breslev.co.il/filesupload/articles/articalimage/16026.jpg

Theists: Gaps…therefore God.

Atheists: Evolution…therefore no god.

Both thoughts are an insult to logic.
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thack45
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 08:33 pm
"Every man to whom salvation is offered has an inalienable natural right to say 'No, thank you: I prefer to retain my full moral responsibility: it is not good for me to be able to load a scapegoat with my sins: I should be less careful how I committed them if I knew they would cost me nothing.'”
— Shaw, Androcles and the Lion
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 09:47 pm
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/82/59/6c/82596c8c45a8295857da5f0e033557f8.jpg
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 11:04 pm
Kingsman: The Secret Service -- a spy movie with Colin Firth and Samuel Jackson -- will delight every atheist. I found the church scene nothing short of exhilarating.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 11:11 pm
@Olivier5,
Thanks for the heads up. I'm downl...getting it now...
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 11:19 pm
@FBM,
Example of non sequitur:
We don't understand it.
Therefore, God did it.

That, to some, this is proof for belief is lamentable.

To suggest it fails because of ever-decreasing need for knowlege seems ignorant.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 11:19 pm
@FBM,
It's not about atheism at all, just some james bond semi-parody. But the church scene is quite rewarding, i must say... >:->
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 11:25 pm
@hingehead,
Similar, in a way to the following observation:
I don't know the source.
Quote:
I have nothing to fear from those who would die for their religion.
It's those who would kill for their religion I fear.
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 12:03 am
@neologist,
Mea culpa. I thought you meant NdGT was guilty of a non sequitur by mentioning the god of the gaps fallacy.
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 12:05 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

It's not about atheism at all, just some james bond semi-parody. But the church scene is quite rewarding, i must say... >:->


That's OK. I'm always on the lookout for films that I haven't seen yet. If it's got
Samuel L. Jackson in it, it's probably worth at least a quick look-see. Not that he always produces gold, mind you.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 02:47 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

I'm always on the lookout for films that I haven't seen yet. If it's got
Samuel L. Jackson in it, it's probably worth at least a quick look-see. Not that he always produces gold, mind you.

Monty Pyton meet the Avengers meet Tarantino...
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 05:51 pm
@Olivier5,
Yeah, maybe a little League of Extraordinary Gentlemen thrown in there. Without a doubt, though, it was undeniably one of the most films I've ever seen.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:02 am
@FBM,
A bit of Star Wars too in the young hero's fight against the whiteclad soldiers.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:03 am
@Olivier5,
Ah. Now that you mention it, yeah.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:11 am
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/10858508_1015269535164167_1399236114545841466_n.jpg
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:12 am
@FBM,
Many quotes, facets, and layers, no? Manners maketh the man is also a relevant moral message me think.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:16 am
@Olivier5,
True that. I would have to watch it a couple more times to pick up on all the imagery, obscure references, allusions, etc. Usually when I'm watching a film, I notice that something is a reference, but I don't bother working it out because I don't want to lose the plot. At least until I watch it a second time.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:31 am
@FBM,
- How did you call your dog?
- J.B.
- James Bond? Janson Bourne?
- No. Jack Barrow.

[Jack Barrow is the author of the Hidden Masters and the Unspeakable Evil. I had to google it up]
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:44 am
@Olivier5,
The name sounded familiar to me at the time, and I almost paused to google, but didn't. Now that you tell me that, I have to admit that I have no clue about either Hidden Masters or the Unspeakable Evil, so I guess it was a false positive.

And to avoid accusations of a thread derail, here's a perfunctory nod to the OP: It certainly seems unlikely to me that there is a god!
 

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