@ossobuco,
Actually, these topics wear me out. I have no earthly clue why this topic attracts Frank, but it clearly brings out the bully in him. Honestly, arguing about heavenly truth is futile. I actually don't know where I fit. I was raised Catholic, but the church has become so watered down (Im just talking music, celebration of mass, ungodly lengthy weddings) its like visiting an unfamiliar and sterile place. Ive been to other denominations, but I don't click, I just watch the clock and daydream until its over.
I suppose Im a heretic, I wonder if Jesus really wanted to establish Christianity? Suppose all he ever really wanted was to clean up his temple. AS Frank would say, you just don't know. I have difficulty identifying as religious, agnostic or atheist, but with the right people it can be a lot of fun to talk about.
Gene Weingarten (sp) writes a column for Sunday Washington Post, he has stated he is an atheist. He recalled a discussion he had with his Dad when he was a child, and asked him "where do we go when we die" his father responded with "I don't know, where were you before you were born". I loved that explanation. However, since Im a hypocrite, when people ask me to pray, I tell them I will, sometimes I actually remember to pray.
If there is a God or as yet unnamed Supreme Being, I don't think it would condemn anyone to the popular notion of hell. When I die, there will either be a place for our spirits to go, and if there isn't, I won't know because I will be dead.
Im not opposed to the notion of church, but when church goes rogue it creates manmade disasters. I chaff at the extremes, and Im grateful that I am not forced to attend. Even Superman only fought for Truth, Justice and the American Way. And I really don't fathom why some people think its important to print "In God we Trust on Money" how arrogant is that. My Uncle sends me alarmist god-grams every so often, the one he especially favors is the fight to prevent taking Gods name off of the money. I asked him if I needed to carry large sums of cash so everyone especially God knows how much I love and honor God. He doesn't send me that particular god-gram any longer. Actually, I haven't heard very much from him in some time, I think he got pissed when I told him Sarah Palin was a blissfully undereducated moron. Praise Jesus, I finally got on his ****-list.
I guess Im kind of live and let live gal when it comes to religion. I really hate to admit this, but I don't think I care enough to have a firm position.
I guess this doesn't answer your question, but its the best I can do right now.