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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:22 pm
@snood,
Someone close to Biden categorically claiming knowledge that Biden is not running would do it for me.
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engineer
 
  4  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:23 pm
@snood,
I think "he is not running" is completely true as of now. No conjecture there. Gore is not running either, nor is Romney. Lots of conjecture they might though. I agree with you. Until the facts change on the ground, let's just leave conjecture out of it.
snood
 
  3  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:28 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

I think "he is not running" is completely true as of now. No conjecture there. Gore is not running either, nor is Romney. Lots of conjecture they might though. I agree with you. Until the facts change on the ground, let's just leave conjecture out of it.

In the context of Biden, "He is not running yet" is more accurate than "he is not running". And including names of people who aren't really part of the present field of possibles is disingenuous. Makes about as much sense as saying Snood is not running. But at least we agree on calling conjecture what it is.
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hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:36 pm
Quote:
In the Democratic contest, Clinton's drop is dramatic, yet not enough to threaten her clear lead. She's supported by 42 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who are registered to vote, down from 63 percent in July,

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clintons-support-drops-trump-carson-surge-gop-race/story?id=33695818

It is impossible to overstate just how horrible this is when the only people running against Hillary are the independent Sanders and people on the R ballot. Even with no one so far directly challenging her as a D we are still getting this people D's deciding that they dont want Hillary. If the D's had run a primary with choices she would almost certainly have been an also ran by Christmas.
roger
 
  2  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:41 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Why did the average Republican voter this far out from the election suddenly realize that Carson is the man without hearing more about him? I doubt a lot of people are actively researching candidates yet, so I wonder at the rapid rise.
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roger
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:42 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Why did the average Republican voter this far out from the election suddenly realize that Carson is the man without hearing more about him? I doubt a lot of people are actively researching candidates yet, so I wonder at the rapid rise.


I suspect it has more to do with who he isn't than who he is. That just may be a trend in this election cycle.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
In the Democratic contest, Clinton's drop is dramatic, yet not enough to threaten her clear lead. She's supported by 42 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who are registered to vote, down from 63 percent in July,

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clintons-support-drops-trump-carson-surge-gop-race/story?id=33695818

It is impossible to overstate just how horrible this is when the only people running against Hillary are the independent Sanders and people on the R ballot. Even with no one so far directly challenging her as a D we are still getting this people D's deciding that they dont want Hillary. If the D's had run a primary with choices she would almost certainly have been an also ran by Christmas.


Your concern for her is touching.

Also, hysterical.


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Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 05:08 pm
@engineer,
Imagine if Hillary is running and you refuse to poll for her. You go to the trouble to tell a pollster you'd vote for Joe who's not even running.

To me, with the name recognition for HRC at the highest level, Joe voters will never vote for HRC.

They might vote for Bernie because they don't know about him that well. But I think the only thing that seems assured is that they would be very unlikely to vote for Hillary.
parados
 
  4  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 05:25 pm
@Lash,
Do you know how polling works?
Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 05:33 pm
@parados,
Frankly, now that people don't have residential phones anymore, I'm not sure how data is collected. Years ago, there were calls into our home.

Unless they've changed methods as well as ways to contact people since, yes. I know the basics.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 05:38 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Frankly, now that people don't have residential phones anymore, I'm not sure how data is collected. Years ago, there were calls into our home.

They stayed with land line collection for far too long. They only changed when the results turned out to be messed up by the process.

Quote:
Gallup includes cellphones in each national Gallup poll. Gallup has been including cellphone-only households in all national telephone Gallup polls since January 2008.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110383/does-gallup-call-cell-phones.aspx
Lash
 
  -2  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 05:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
I wouldn't take kindly to a stranger/ salesperson /pollster calling my cell phone.
RABEL222
 
  2  
Tue 15 Sep, 2015 01:01 am
@snood,
He has stated that he isent sure he is mentally able to handle the pressure.
parados
 
  6  
Tue 15 Sep, 2015 06:38 am
@Lash,
If you know how polling works then you would know polling doesn't say anything about who is or isn't in the race. The question includes names of people whether they are running or not. I find it amazing how people will compare polls that include Biden to ones that don't and then claim Hillary or Sanders is up or down in comparing those polls.
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engineer
 
  4  
Tue 15 Sep, 2015 07:10 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

He has stated that he isent sure he is mentally able to handle the pressure.

He has stated that he isn't sure he can give his whole heart to the effort.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 15 Sep, 2015 07:19 am
Will Hillary disavow this super sleazy email from her Super PAC?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11?utm_hp_ref=politics

The email, sent to a Huffington Post reporter in response to an article about Corbyn and Sanders without any agreement that it would be off the record, was meant to flag Corbyn's "most extreme comments." Among those was the suggestion that the assassination of Osama bin Laden was "a tragedy," since there was no attempt to arrest the former al Qaeda leader and put him on trial. The email also cites Corbyn's comment that he'd invite his "friends" from Hezbollah to come to the U.K. to discuss peace in the Middle East and an editorial in which he said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's "attempt to encircle Russia is one of the big threats of our time."

The email uses those comments to pivot to "similarities" between Corbyn and Sanders, who have engaged in a mild cross-Atlantic love-fest of late, given that they are both insurgent populists challenging their political parties' establishments. Corbyn has said he is following Sanders' campaign "with great interest," and Sanders said he was "delighted" that the Labour Party elected Corbyn as its leader.

The "similarities" between the two, according to the email, include Sanders' introduction of legislation to terminate the United States' nuclear weapons program, comments that NATO's expansion into former Soviet states is dangerous because it could provoke Russia, opposition to more U.S. funds for NATO, and saying he "was concerned" that proposed new NATO members had shipped arms to Iran and North Korea.

The more serious stretch comes as the email highlights how Sanders helped negotiate a program with Venezuela's national oil company in 2006 that provided discounted heating oil assistance to low-income Vermonters. The senator said it was "not a partisan issue," in the state, which was the sixth to make the deal. His support for the program was apparently enough to merit a mention, since Corbyn has written that the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez's "electoral democratic credentials are beyond reproach."
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revelette2
 
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Tue 15 Sep, 2015 07:24 am
@Lash,
Quote:
I wouldn't take kindly to a stranger/ salesperson /pollster calling my cell phone.


What is the difference in terms of being bothersome? Me, I ignore my unknown cell phones calls just like I did my landline when we had it. My husband on the other hand seems to take advantage of those annoying calls to take out any spleen he may be feeling at the time, he has a very colorful language too. Smile
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roger
 
  2  
Tue 15 Sep, 2015 03:22 pm
@engineer,
Thanks for that 'little' correction.
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Miller
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2015 07:08 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Frankly, now that people don't have residential phones anymore...
Miller
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2015 07:19 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

Lash wrote:

Frankly, now that people don't have residential phones anymore...



In Massachusetts,many folks have landline phones. Many others have both a cell phone and a landline phone.
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