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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 09:23 am
@revelette2,
You're right, Gob1 is just a sexist who thinks calling someone female is an insult. I've got him on ignore because I find he has nothing of interest to say.
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ossobuco
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 09:35 am
@georgeob1,
I think, George, that you confuse Izzythepush with Izzie, who is a woman at A2k for some years but not here much now.. Izzy is a man.
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 09:49 am
@ossobuco,
Actually I'm not confused at all. I do miss the Izzy you referred to.. She was empathetic and very interesting. I hope things are going well for her.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 09:50 am
@ossobuco,
There's no confusion. Gob1 knows the difference. He's using gender as an insult after Ionus. (Nobody could ever accuse him of having an original idea.)
ossobuco
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:36 am
@izzythepush,
Ah so.
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revelette2
 
  3  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:54 am
So George is not confused or mistaken but using a female pronoun as an insult to izzypush? Talk about behind the times. Rolling Eyes
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:00 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Talk about behind the times. Rolling Eyes


I'm devastated.
revelette2
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:13 am
@georgeob1,
You should be.
georgeob1
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 01:28 pm
@revelette2,
Why?
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 01:31 pm
Quote:
There's a desire for authenticity, something Clinton seems incapable of mustering. Like Romney, she is overly scripted and speaks as if a focus group is hiding somewhere in her mouth.

During the 2012 campaign, aides and supporters were always promising to unleash the real Romney, a nice-as-heck guy with a great sense of humor. But it never happened.

Clinton is following a similar path. Her campaign recently hatched plans to make her seem more human, and it led to what may be the most nonhuman-sounding New York Times headline ever: "Hillary Clinton to Show More Humor and Heart, Aides Say."

Nothing quite like formally announcing your carefully crafted plan to be more spontaneous.

The other key issue is trustworthiness, or in Clinton's case, a lack thereof. Her time in politics has graced her with an array of scandals, the seriousness of which is up for debate. But her current problem is the private email server she used during her time as secretary of state.

The decision to use a private email account in the first place remains baffling. It's as if Clinton asked her advisers if there was something she could do that would play into the GOP's narrative of her as a sneaky politician and they said, "Oh, here's an idea!"

Since that activity came to light, she has tried downplaying it, cracking jokes about it and now, after intense pressure, offering a tepid apology. It's like Romney and his secretly recorded comment claiming 47 percent of Americans are dependent on the government and will vote for Obama no matter what.

He started out trying to explain the comment, then acknowledged it was "not elegantly stated," then eventually said it was "just completely wrong." It was all marvelously bungled and it cost him.

Clinton's email scandal is costing her as well. A new Washington Post/ABC News poll found that 55 percent of Americans "disapprove of the way Clinton has handled questions about her use of a private e-mail account while serving as secretary of state." Almost the same percentage said they believe she tried to cover up details about the scandal. And 56 percent of Americans think she's not honest or trustworthy.

It's early in the campaign, but that's a bad starting point. And if Clinton continues to operate like she's being carefully stage-managed, those numbers are going to be hard to turn around.

Many Democrats still believe Clinton will be their nominee and become president. But it's worth noting that Republicans, right up until the results came in on Election Day 2012, believed wholeheartedly that Romney would win.

They had faith in him. They thought it was his time. They thought issues of trust and authenticity didn't matter.

They were wrong.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-hillary-clinton-huppke-20150914-story.html

Decent point. Another is that it is claimed that Romney lost because a core group in unexpected numbers stayed home (evangelicals) and many months of numbers show Clinton having massive problems with the women voters that the plan had winning this thing for her.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 01:39 pm
@revelette2,
The question is: who is being insulted most - izzy, Izzy or women in general?

My vote is Gob1 is an equal opportunity cad.

NAIL-ed it!!!!
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 01:46 pm
Here's an interesting and comprehensive summary of recent trends in poll data for both Republican and Democrat candidates.

The recent trends for Hillary look very dangerous for her ambitions and prospects.

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1171a22016Politics.pdf
engineer
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:03 pm
@georgeob1,
I think it will be interesting to see where the Biden support goes. Biden is not running and his supporters are a lot more like Clinton supporters than Sanders supporters. Of course all of this is really far from election time.

Trump and Carson are likely not electable so I'm not sure what it means when 53% of the Republican support is in their camps. I also don't buy that Carson has gone from in the pack to 2.5X Jeb Bush's support when he really isn't getting any press and nothing of note has happened.
snood
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:07 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Biden is not running

You state that as if definite. You have insider information, or just forget "in my opinion"?
engineer
 
  3  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:09 pm
@snood,
He hasn't announced and done the circuit saying he is not ready to run. Would you be happy if I said "not running yet"?
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:09 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
I also don't buy that Carson has gone from in the pack to 2.5X Jeb Bush's support when he really isn't getting any press and nothing of note has happened.


I do. He is not a politician, he is black, he would be a disrupter, he looks like a fighter who knows how to be nice and most people think that he would be less of a risk than trump...less likely to do something stupid. All big pluses. We live in a new world where having political experience and elite funded media buys are a negative, and where extensively laying out positions is not required.
engineer
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
Ok, but study after study has shown that poll numbers correlate very strongly to press coverage (see Trump, D). I don't follow the conservative press but I generally follow the national press it doesn't seem like Carson is getting all that much. Why did the average Republican voter this far out from the election suddenly realize that Carson is the man without hearing more about him? I doubt a lot of people are actively researching candidates yet, so I wonder at the rapid rise.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
I also don't buy that Carson has gone from in the pack to 2.5X Jeb Bush's support when he really isn't getting any press and nothing of note has happened.


I do. He is not a politician, he is black, he would be a disrupter, he looks like a fighter who knows how to be nice and most people think that he would be less of a risk than trump...less likely to do something stupid. All big pluses. We live in a new world where having political experience and elite funded media buys are a negative, and where extensively laying out positions is not required.


Oh, I am sure all the "really smart" candidates will avoid elite funded media buys...because of their great negativity. (Pure sarcasm!)

What world are you operating in, Hawk?
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:17 pm
@engineer,
I suspect we'll see either Biden or a new Democrat candidate if Hillary continues to fall. The stakes are high for them, and I doubt they'll take the chance with Sanders. The problem is that introducing a new candidate (whether Biden or someone else) will add to Hillary's troubles at a critical moment... something they're reluctant to do precipitously. This is likely a very tough call for them, and as it is their last gasp, something the Clintons will let go of only when all hope is lost.

I hope Trump fades, but don't agree with you about Carson. In view of his lack of political experience Carson may well make a better candidate for VP, but I believe he is a serious person with a refreshing perspective that is engaging people now. He should be taken, more seriously than Trump.
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snood
 
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Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:20 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

He hasn't announced and done the circuit saying he is not ready to run. Would you be happy if I said "not running yet"?

Has nothing to do with my happiness. Has to do with stating conjecture as fact. Until he states he's not running or it becomes too late to run, the only accurate assessment is that no one knows.
 

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