When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

Past sometimes is not necessarily prologue for the present or near future. This time around dynamics are vastly different with a much more diverse ethnic electorate. For example, this Hispanic vote is a much larger participation level than ever. I think this election with these sets of issues will be harder to generalize about. Maybe this means someone with something on the ball and sincere appeal to minorities stands a greater chance to get elected.\

Re Hillary's chances. if she is fading steadily at this point in the race...what's going to happen when she faces a strong candidate within the party or later on, from Re-pugs? Maybe a strong challenge even from Biden, if he makes firm decision to run a concentrated well run campaign.s stranger things have happened.

After all, he's the only one that is major candidate that moves the 'sincere needle' on the meter that detects rehearsed and BS commentary and speeches.

Yep. 2012. Karl Rove, the old old turd-blossom, was right one election year, too.

Just saying 14 months before the election: a lot could happen.

Charles P. Pierce: Hillary Clinton Should Fire Her Entire Campaign Staff
Hillary Clinton Should Fire Her Entire Campaign Staff
The flailing frontrunner's backup is all too willing to throw her under the bus.
Charles P. Pierce - Esquire
Sep 10, 2015 @ 9:24 AM

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I have a modest proposal for Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose campaign is perking right along no matter what you are being told on your electric teevee machine, or by those under the hypnotic spell of the Libidinous Visitor. I think she would be well advised to listen to my advice.

Fire everybody.

I'm not kidding. Clean house. Everybody at HRC HQ? Thank you very much. Here are your hats? What's your hurry? Go Fiorina all over their asses. Massive, unmerciful layoffs. Make the lobby of the national headquarters look like the sidewalk outside Lehman Brothers when the billion-dollar dunghammer fell back in '08. I want to see a parade of people, all carrying boxes, blank looks on their faces, wandering lost down the boulevards and wondering where their next cappuccino is coming from.

Why?

Because your campaign is a writhing ball of faithless snakes right now, that's why: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-to-show-more-humor-and-heart-aides-say.html?_r=0

While Mrs. Clinton's central message will remain focused on addressing income inequality and lifting the middle class, she is scrapping the phrase "everyday Americans," which advisers said was confusing and did not resonate. (One compared it to the Walmart slogan, "Everyday low prices.")


Well, aren't you the clever dick? Hit the bricks, idiot.

This goes double for anyone who thinks Tiger Beat On The Potomac is worth talking to at all: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-apology-213423#ixzz3lCSFyBqk

Even operatives on her campaign admitted the apology on Mitchell's show was inadequate. "It wasn't getting it done," said a source inside the campaign.


Here's the plan...

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And...

These anonymous quivering bunnies do not have your best interests at heart. They've got one foot in the lifeboat at all times, keeping the shine on their resumes in case your campaign falls short, so they can go back to their reporter pals and explain how, if you'd just listened to them, you'd be breaking ground on your library by now.


Link: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a37801/hillary-clinton-should-fire-entire-campaign-staff/

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As of now, Hillary still has more support among minorities and women than Sanders. I don't know why that is, but it is a fact that is hard to dispute honestly. Unless Sanders can get the Hispanic and the black vote, he will just not get the nomination.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/12/politics/hillary-clinton-charlotte-tv-ad/




The last thing Hillary should be doing right now is spending her money advertising that she is a member of the Elite, that her family is special. She got personal in her attempt to sell the "warm and fuzzy Hillary" in a very stupid way. She has no clue how this game works.

You're right. What she needs is a good "warm/fuzzy coach".

What she needs is to get a clue. . And if her not having one did not disqualify her the fact that she made a staff of people who cant/wont talk turkey with her does.

She has been a very cloistered member of the elite for a very long time, she would be a very bad choice for a president.

God Damn. THis woman is everyone's worst nightmare.

What she truly needs is as many Hillary haters as possible taking shots at her as often as possible...and convincing themselves that she cannot win...and that she is everyone's worst nightmare.

They will help her win this next election as much as anything else she does to win it.

And there certainly seem to be lots of people cooperating on that.

Why Are Women Ditching Hillary?

Earlier this year Hillary Clinton seemed to have the female vote locked down, so why is she now having to work so hard to convince them to support with her campaign?

The Clinton campaign went into overdrive this week to shore up support among voters most assumed would have been locked in as Clinton backers from the start—Democratic women.

From last Saturday’s kickoff of “New Hampshire Women for Hillary,” to Clinton’s appearance on the Ellen DeGeneres Show last Thursday where she pitched, “If you vote for somebody on the merits, one of my merits is that I’m a woman,” to an online campaign store newly stocked with lady-friendly merch (official “Women’s Rights are Human Rights” tote, anyone?) the not-at-all subtle message is this: Hey ladies, vote for Hillary!

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The female hard sell is coming as a series of local and national polls show that Clinton’s strength among Democratic women voters has continued to steadily, and in some cases, precipitously erode as her campaign has become bogged down in questions over use of a private email server and Sen. Bernie Sanders has risen on a wave of populist support that the Clinton camp had mostly dismissed or ignored.

The latest bad news for Clinton came last week from the NBC News/ Marist poll Sanders Leads Clinton by 9 in N.H., Gains in Iowa: Poll, which showed Clinton losing to Sanders by nine points in New Hampshire, thanks mostly a huge drop in Clinton’s female support. Although Clinton still held onto women by seven points, her lead among women there is down 16 points since July. The same holds true in Iowa, where Clinton’s lead among Democratic women shrank 24 points between July and September. A previous PPP poll showed Clinton losing New Hampshire women to Sanders by three points.

“I think there is concern on her campaign about the gender gap, which has gotten significantly narrower since our poll in July,” said Lee Mirengoff, the director of the Marist poll. “The campaign seems to understand that although they have a firewall they are trying to build in the South, women are really what this campaign’s strongest base is and they don’t want any slippage there.”

The slide among Democratic women in New Hampshire and Iowa mirrors a series of national polls that show Clinton’s performance among women on a steady downward trend. A CNN / ORC poll conducted in December of 2014 (PDF) showed that Clinton entered the Democratic primary contest with an enormous advantage among women over any opponent, with 75% saying they’d vote for Clinton and just 2% for Sanders.

As Sanders’ crowds at campaign rallies grew into the thousands and Clinton was dogged by media questions about her email server over the summer, Clinton’s support among Democratic women nationally dropped to 51% by the end of August, with Sanders’s up to 27%.

“I think there is concern on her campaign about the gender gap, which has gotten significantly narrower since our poll in July," said Lee Mirengoff, the director of the Marist poll.

Perhaps more worrisome, women don’t seem to think she’s telling the truth about her server. Among all female voters, 51% in a Fox News poll said Clinton “knowingly lied” about her private server, while 51% of women in CNN’s August survey said Clinton did something wrong when she decided to control her email through her own server.

Clinton’s slide among her core constituency hasn’t gone unnoticed by her Republican rivals. “It appears that Democratic women are starting to trend the way of the larger electorate,” said Kellyanne Conway, a longtime Republican pollster who is working for the Ted Cruz campaign this cycle. “They don’t trust her, and they don’t see her projecting confidence in herself, in them, or in the future of the country.”

Conway said that from Republicans’ perspective, Clinton would need to outperform Barack Obama’s 56% showing among women voters in 2008 in order to win a general election contest in 2016. "Knowing that women will comprise a majority of the electorate and knowing that she will under-perform among men compared to President Obama and President Clinton, she needs to get closer to 58% to 60% among women and right now she is nowhere near that.”

Clinton’s campaign counters that her relative strength in general election polls is what really matters and it’s true that Clinton quickly consolidates Democratic women’s support in hypothetical head-to-head match ups against Donald Trump (PDF).

But even that support appears to be slipping.

In the latest CNN/ORC poll, Clinton’s lead with women has vanished (PDF) when she is matched up with neurosurgeon Ben Carson and Jeb Bush.

But the real danger for Clinton in a general election isn’t that Democratic women will vote for the Republican. The danger is that some of those women will not vote at all.tml

Woman are moving to the Bernie campaign.

Yeah. Point out her lies and inconsistencies, cause her support to fall off a cliff. That'll help her win!

So happy to be such a great help to Hillary. I hear I've helped her fall to within 10 points of Bernie. She should put me on the payroll.

You should listen to Dr. Cornell West's opening speech for Bernie at Benedict College in South Carolina. Maybe you'll see why his rise is meteoric, and why he'll be the next president of the United States.

She currently has more support with minorities due to name recognition.

Brown and black people, historically, don't follow politics this early - and most people rely on names they recognize when polled until and unless they hear of someone that causes them to move support from the old familiar to the new.

As people find out about Bernie, his numbers go up, and Hillary's go down.

If Bernie becomes President, the interesting (I think) thing just might be that in this non-Jewish (aka, Gentile) country, Americans have the ability to put aside their prejudices if they believe it is to their advantage.

And, in my opinion, a percentage of the votes that got our current President elected was based on not wanting to view themselves as racist, so in a self-aggrandizing way, a vote was cast for candidate Obama. However, no one ever thought that this country needs a Jewish President, considering the country is chock full of intelligent males that are as Gentile as their golf clubs (strong and ready for action).

Now all this might be of no import, except we have a culture, that only around 75 years ago, reflected that the masses did not want one boat of German Jews to escape the Nazis. Nor, increase the annual quota of foreigners from Europe by one individual.

So, Foofie what are you saying, one might ask. Simple, in my opinion, this country has gotten enough from its Jewish citizens (Salk/Sabine vaccines for example), without stressing them out as President in the hardest country likely to manage/direct. A nice golf playing WASP really deserves the stress/position, in my opinion.

Also, if this country has any setbacks, during a Jewish President's time in office, guess who gets blames en masse. Just part of my "self-serving" analysis of Gentile America.

I am not sure you're right, but I guess the closer it get to the primaries, we should all know for sure whether he has managed to turn the minority vote to his favor. If he has, then he has an almost sure shot of winning the primary. From what a lot of internet pundits (I only read the news) have said, he might have trouble in the general due to some of his farther leftist views on the issues.

Whether you know it or not, Cornell West's embrace of Bernie is more kiss of death than endorsement as far as a lot of blacks are concerned. West lost me and many others when he and Tavis Smiley turned on Obama overnight when Obama wouldn't be their boy. Google it - the history of their relationship with Obama is a fascinating study of how quickly thin-skinned has-been intellectuals with delusions of national prominence (West and Smiley) abandoned all pretensions of fealty with a rising figure (Obama) who didn't promote their black activist agenda exclusively. In an understandable, but nonetheless clear act of political expediency, all Bernie is doing by coupling up with the likes of Cornell West is obligating himself to a power hungry wannabe prophet of the black masses who will always expect to be at the table when Bernie makes policy decisions. Mark my words - He (and you) will not always count partnership with Cornell West as an asset.

Just as a sidebar note, Cornell West doesn't like Ta-Nehisi Coates, and publicly criticizes him because Coates doesn't eviscerate Obama to the degree West wants him to. I won't make a thing of it, but I'm telling you - West is like a scorned lover - unbalanced to the extreme with Obama derangement syndrome. Bernie's association with him could well prove to be more of an albatross than Jeremiah Wright was to Obama.

I hear you. I knew Cornell had fallen out of favor - and I knew he was disappointed that Obama wasn't more forthcoming with the truth about black issues, but I didn't know the two were joined as you've described.

I can understand Cornell, and I can understand the "side" that wanted him to keep his mouth shut.

In the end, I don't think approval from Cornell can hurt Bernie. If he maligned Obama for not speaking up enough about institutional racism - and he approves Bernie's record on that issue - I see it as being nothing but a great, resounding approval from a man who has pretty high standards in that regard.

Thanks for explaining the dynamic.

Lash,
I encourage you to read this opinion piece by Charles Blow in the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/opinion/charles-m-blow-bernie-sanders-and-the-black-vote.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Sanders seemed to understand the challenge ahead of him. He has to win the African-Americans who supported Obama and do so against Clinton’s enormous name identification and the deep connections the Clinton machine has built in the state. And then there’s Biden.

But Sanders’s ability to win Obama’s supporters may have been made difficult by his associations. On Saturday, Sanders campaigned with Dr. Cornel West, who recently issued an endorsement of Sanders.

West’s critique of the president has been so blistering and unyielding — he has called Obama “counterfeit,” the “black face of the American empire,” a verb-ed neologism of the n-word — that it has bordered on petulance and self-parody.

I haven't heard anything extreme from Bernie. He seems more Green Party than Socialist. He's more of a Democrat than a socialist.

I disagree with some of his stands on Israel/Palestine. Specifically I don't recall but they were there as I heard them, like his refusal to back restraints on Israel for human rights violations in occupied territory of Palestine and Lebenon.