When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Frank,

You appear to be dealing badly with the accumulating news about Hillary's collapsing campaign. It's not over for her, but she has certainly seen serious and still accumulating setbacks. That the views of Hawkeye and Lash coincide on a particular point is no more significant than if (say) yours or anyone else's do. There's no conspiracy indicated.

I did not say there was a conspiracy indicated, George. I didn't even hint at anything like that.

I merely called attention to the fact that she and Hawk were agreeing...and that I was being entertained by that.

And I am not handling anything badly. The campaign has a LONG way to go...and I am not sure of who will be the Dem candidate. I am convinced it will not be Sanders...and, yeah, I do chuckle at the naive waifs who think it will be...especially the ones who do it often and at such length.

My guess: The Dem candidate will be Hillary Clinton...and she will win the general election becoming our first female president.

Is there a problem for you in any of that?

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Well, she is right, it was allowed to use a private email server in the State Department. They may want to reconsider now and perhaps that will be the result of all this. The email I find troublesome is the one concerning North Korea. That one should have not been passed through an email at all and perhaps some others of which intel is worried about. Moreover, I thought she said not long ago that perhaps it wasn't a good idea or something like that?

I know you are for Bernie, but I am hoping Biden will actually get in the race and endorsements and people who are on the Hillary side, switch to Biden. Then I am hoping once he is nominated for the democratic ticket, he chooses Warren as a running mate.

I think Warren would be as big an anvil for the Dems to swim with as Sanders. I hope that neither is selected to be on the ticket in either spot. I want the Dems to win in 2016...not to lose because of what some mistakenly suppose to be "principle."

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@Frank Apisa,

Personally I just find Warren more appealing than Sanders, but then I don't have the same negative outlook you do on a progressive winning the election. Biden could flesh out Warren's lack of foreign views so to speak and people want to elect a woman. I think Hillary should think about stepping down for the good of the democratic party. My take. Like she said, the email thing is a distraction.

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@revelette2,

You have to take into consideration that Bill Kristol has NEVER been right about ANYTHING, but that's an interesting speculation.

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@snood,

I know, I hesitated about leaving the YouTube, but, it was an interesting discussion all around, I thought. Besides, in this case, he might just be right. He also said, Trump will not get the GOP nomination. Guess we'll see.

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The local PBS station was replaying Ken Burn's The Civil War last night. It mentioned how the constitution of the Confederacy was almost identical to the US Constitution but for the addition of slavery items, one being the prohibition on importation of slaves from any other country.

Slaves and slavery are mentioned 10 times in the Confederate Constitution including a prohibition on any laws denying the right of property in negro slaves.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

Here is an interesting side by side comparison of the 2 Constitutions with a conclusion that shows the CSA didn't grant major states' rights.
http://www.jjmccullough.com/CSA.htm

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@Frank Apisa,

Just following your lead. Do your best not to launch personal attacks against me, and I will very happily and immediately stop. Up to you. Just know that you won't make negative personal statements about me with impunity.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OjA4osYRN4[/youtube] Personally I just find Warren more appealing than Sanders, but then I don't have the same negative outlook you do on a progressive winning the election. Biden could flesh out Warren's lack of foreign views so to speak and people want to elect a woman. I think Hillary should think about stepping down for the good of the democratic party. My take. Like she said, the email thing is a distraction.

I think a progressive could win it...and I certainly hope a progressive wins it, Revelette.

But Sanders and Warren are much more than just progressives...and I am convinced they are too far out in the left wing to ever win national election here in the United States at this time.

I did not want Hillary to run. I thought the crap that would be thrown at her was simply not worth it.

But now she has decided to run...and I hope very much that she does not step down. I think "stepping down" would not be for the good of the Dems...but for the good of the opposition.

I realize there are people who disagree with me...which is fine.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Just following your lead. Do your best not to launch personal attacks against me, and I will very happily and immediately stop. Up to you. Just know that you won't make negative personal statements about me with impunity.

Do whatever you want, Lash. If you want to use me as an excuse for your nastiness...fine by me. I'll get a laugh out of it.

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@revelette2,

I agree she broke no laws and wasn't any sort of exception.

She has has a lot of trouble dealing with the issue and frankly that gives me pause.

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@bobsal u1553115,

How do you explain how "top secret" emails ended up on her at home, sorry that server wasn't at her home she lied about that, the server was actually in a bathroom closet at a data company here in Denver, how did those emails get from the classified email system to her private server? The classified system isn't hooked to normal networked systems. In order for it to get there, someone would have had to remove it from the classified system and moved it to a normal networked computer. That is indeed against the law.

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@Baldimo,

That's interesting that you claim the server was in Denver but Congress has subpoenaed someone that set the server up at the Clinton residence. Who should we trust on this one?

Maybe you need to check your facts Baldimo. Either that or you are the one lying.

You get so many things wrong, I wonder if you bother to read any actual news. The emails got to Clinton's server because they were sent to her from the unclassified email system at the State Department.

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@parados,

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That's interesting that you claim the server was in Denver but Congress has subpoenaed someone that set the server up at the Clinton residence. Who should we trust on this one?

Maybe you need to check your facts Baldimo

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Clinton's 'homebrew' computer system housed her emails while she was Secretary of State between 2009 and 2013. Platte River Networks provided its services in mid-2013 according to Barbara Wells, the company's lawyer

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201367/Hillary-s-email-firm-run-loft-apartment-servers-BATHROOM-raising-new-questions-security-sensitive-messages-held.html#ixzz3lBLqvXX1
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After the secrecy problem was over presumably, because once she was out of office I think she no longer had a security clearance for top secret.

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@hawkeye10,

She probably continued to have the Top Secret clearance...but no longer has the "need to know."

The "clearance" is just a BI...a background investigation by the FBI.

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@parados,

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That's interesting that you claim the server was in Denver but Congress has subpoenaed someone that set the server up at the Clinton residence. Who should we trust on this one?

Maybe you need to check your facts Baldimo. Either that or you are the one lying.

You are correct, I had my timeline wrong.

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You get so many things wrong, I wonder if you bother to read any actual news. The emails got to Clinton's server because they were sent to her from the unclassified email system at the State Department.

I get some things wrong, just like everyone else on this site. The difference is when I'm wrong I will claim it, as noted above.

Here's the problem with what you said about the classified system. Without physically moving things, you can't take a classified doc and move it to a non-classified system. The news coming out today says that the State dept had no rights to classify some of those materials as the State dept didn't create and provide the intel. Only the dept who creates the intel can classify it. So the question remains... How did classified intel get moved from a classified system to a non-classified system? Do I think Hillary did it? Nope, but I also don't think she cared about others classifications either so she didn't care if the intel was classified.

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@Frank Apisa,

Maybe, but I remember Gates saying that he only knows what he sees in the media because since he is out of government he no longer gets any of the briefings. My point is that after she was gone I dont think people would be sending her secrets in the email. Especially in an Obama white house, if insiders were to tell Hillary anything and it got out he would surely fire them for disloyalty. Hillary would not have even tried to go against that, the Clintons always being fanatics about people being loyal to them are going to agree with Obama on this, and so would not participate (though as we know the Clintons dont think that loyalty should run both ways, they are rarely loyal to anyone).

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Besides the heinous unforgivable crime of Hillary either sending or receiving classified material and using a private server instead of a government one, is there something else specific that you think she has done? You must suspect her of something really really bad - like maybe giving state secrets to an enemy or somehow intentionally selling her country out?

What is it that you guys think she's done? Or is it all just 'stir up suspicion and not accuse, but suggest there's something very wrong happening'? What?!?

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@snood,

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Besides the heinous unforgivable crime of Hillary either sending or receiving classified material and using a private server instead of a government one, is there something else specific that you think she has done?

Because making it easier for our enemies to steal classified emails because she wanted to hide her work from the American people (we who were paying her and we who she claimed to be serving) is not bad enough on its own? She did what dictators do, this is not OK with me.

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@snood,

Good question. I don't detail what I disagree with in life, too little time, and Hillary is not within the top million, but I consider her a manipulator first and foremost.

This could be good in some situations, but I'm apt not to agree on some of those situations she is good at.

I've a Machiavelli book on my shelf, Florentine Histories. I might do well to read the damned thing. It has survived a lot of book culling.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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Better watch it Bob. You are getting like Lash and blaming Hillery for anything that was SENT to her. Does that mean if someone sends me a picture of a nude six year old I am a pedifile? I thought that it had to be sent on for that to be true.

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