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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Thu 20 Aug, 2015 09:08 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
(out of context but I didn't want to forget - thanks for the width only suggestion on resizing pix - tried it successfully - still need to preview but it was a good tip)

You're welcome.

It certainly makes it a lot easier if you want to keep things proportionate in the image.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 21 Aug, 2015 06:11 am
http://assets.amuniversal.com/c2b5a47029b40133ffa8005056a9545d.jpg
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 22 Aug, 2015 05:05 am
Quote:
After noting untrue statements that Hillary Clinton made about her use of a private email server and the presence of classified material on that server, Peter Suderman concludes that when the presidential hopeful is called to account for actions undertaken as a public official, “she responds with misleading statements, distortions, convenient excuses, and a general sense of irritation and entitlement—anything, in other words, but the clear and unambiguous truth.” He goes on to charge that she engaged in “risky, unauthorized, and decidedly non-transparent behavior.”

That’s mostly fair. Her State Department had an atrocious record of transparency that made a mockery of freedom of information laws, and she certainly wasn’t authorized to maintain a server in her home that contained classified information.

But was doing so risky?

Perhaps it will turn out that documents on her server compromised national security or otherwise did harm to U.S. interests. But I am not convinced

Let’s consider another possibility.

Think of it as a defense of “Servergate” that the candidate herself wouldn’t dare make, even if she believed parts of it were true. (Clinton’s campaign said Wednesday that emails on the server contained material that had been retroactively classified.)

It’s fun to imagine her saying it anyway:

Quote:
“America, let me come clean: Yes, there were classified documents on my email server. Yes, this was virtually inevitable when I decided to use it for official business and to set up an account for one of my top aides. But let’s not be naive about this. In Washington, the fact that something is classified doesn’t mean anything.

“We classify everything!”

“It’s a way of covering our assess, leveraging control of information to make ourselves more powerful, and feeling special. Sure, there are some secrets that really need to be kept. And we’re careful with that stuff. But when it comes to classified material, following the letter of the law would be a huge pain in the ass. And it would make government even less efficient than it is. Don’t get me wrong, the laws have their uses. They allow us to punish uppity people who try to tell the citizenry the elite’s secrets. We put Chelsea Manning in a place where she gets reamed for having expired toothpaste!

“But they’re not meant for people like me—powerful people who’ve paid their dues to rise in the ruling class. Like everyone else in that cohort, I’ve earned the right to leak when I deem it prudent; to use my discretion to take whatever work I want home with me; to keep classified documents in my personal files; I mean, hell, my Teflon husband had a former crony who smuggled classified papers from a secure room.

“And what harm ever comes of it?

“Hell, I can’t prove that Wikileaks or the Snowden leaks did America more harm than good. What were the concrete harms anyway? And, to the people who say I should’ve done all my emailing through the State Department system, what a joke! As if that’s secure. LOL. We’re better off assuming that the Chinese and the Russians can see most everything we do, save the most closely guarded secrets, and even they aren’t completely safe. Anything else is just a false sense of security.

“If there’s something that we can’t afford to have leak we shouldn’t be classifying it, we should be destroying it. Our IT isn’t good enough to protect most stuff anyway.

“So get off my back about these classified documents that were on my server. If you start enforcing these laws strictly, even when powerful people are involved, you’ll wind up with a Constitutional crisis, because virtually everyone violates them and is vulnerable. It’ll be like some Third World country where political opponents maneuver one another into jail on trumped up charges so that they can grab or retain power. That should be reserved for the Snowdens of the world, not the Clintons.”

There you have it: the ultra-cynical take on classification laws as they function in the U.S. system. By design, I cannot prove that critique is accurate. I can’t disprove it either––and that’s enough to make me wonder if the laws are more trouble than they’re worth.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/the-defense-of-hillary-clintons-email-server-that-she-dare-not-utter/401738/?utm_source=yahoo

Good points. And everyone is a criminal now, it all depends upon who the state wants to get today. Tomorrow the victims might look different. That the Elite make stupid rules and then figure they dont apply to them is a given.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 22 Aug, 2015 06:19 am
Machinists Union Members Outraged Over Hillary Clinton Endorsement, Say They Want Bernie Sanders

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18321/bernie_sanders_machinists1

The IAM’s justification of their endorsement this early in the presidential race mirrors the remarks made by AFT president Randi Weingarten shortly after her union’s endorsement. “If you want to shape something, you get in before the primaries,” she said. Like the AFT, the IAM endorsement was based largely on the results of an internal survey of members—a method that some members of the union have questioned.

“I cannot describe how disappointed I am with the IAM endorsing Hillary,” says Al Wagner, a journeyman auto technician and member of IAM Automotive Mechanics Local 701 in Chicago. “The IAM is a great union and I am very proud to be a member. But the leaders went about this endorsement the wrong way.”

IAM boasts a membership roll of nearly 600,000, including retirees, but says that an internal survey of 1,700 active members conducted in early August, in which 71% of participants voted for Clinton, proves that the Clinton endorsement is indicative of the rank and file’s desire for the 2016 presidential race. But on the IAM Facebook page, with mentions of Clinton’s associations with Wall Street and the fiercely unpopular free trade agreements abound, Bernie Sanders has been overwhelmingly touted as the only truly pro-worker candidate by hundreds of members on the union’s endorsement posts.

"Awful choice! I'm with Bernie," wrote one person claiming to be a member on the union's Facebook page. "What a sham! Not in the least bit democratic ... -- only 1700 out of 500,000 members is not a majority. ... At monthly meetings, members talk about the real voice of labor (Bernie Sanders) who BTW is beating her in the CNN after every meeting. You guys need to wake up and listen to your members," wrote another.
Lash
 
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Sat 22 Aug, 2015 06:22 am
Link: http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/federal-judge-rules-hillary-violated-law-with-her-email-policies/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=email_this&utm_source=email



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RABEL222
 
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Sat 22 Aug, 2015 03:50 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
So as I read it 29% of the membership was outraged, 71% was not. Please, no more conservative tactics.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 22 Aug, 2015 04:36 pm
@RABEL222,
Please re-read it. The Union went with a polling sample that represented less than 10% of the membership.

The complaint is that not enough of the membership was asked what their opinion was. Whats so hard about an e-mail flash to membership with two or three options?

Why would you accuse a Bernie Sanders supporter of being a right winger???????????????????????????????????
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 22 Aug, 2015 10:47 pm
Quote:
Vice President Joe Biden’s meeting Saturday with Senator Elizabeth Warren doesn’t necessarily mean a Biden-Warren ticket for 2016, but it showed Democratic party activists and donors how seriously he’s pondering a late run for president.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-22/with-warren-meeting-biden-sends-a-jolt-to-would-be-backers

It shows a fear that Hillary is not good enough. This is like the retailers last "Holiday Season" starting their sales in Oct because they were afraid that they had ordered too much and thus needed to be proactive in moving it. Whether he does it or not Hillary has just been put on notice that the bosses are not happy. She conned them into believing that she was a sure thing, and they know it now. How in hell would Hillary ever have enough credibility even with the D's to move programs? This woman thinks that she is Cal Ripken without the talent, she thinks that she can show up everyday and hit her marks and then she gets to be President.

Oh Hell No.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 23 Aug, 2015 09:19 pm
Quote:
Trump, meanwhile, said Sunday that he wasn’t concerned over who his opponent in a hypothetical general election might be — if he were to win the Republican nomination — responding to reports that Vice President Joe Biden was strongly considering jumping into the race.

“I think they’re the same,” Trump said during a telephone interview on ABC’s “This Week” after being asked to compare Biden with current, but trouble-plagued, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

“I think that Hillary may be very damaged, however, because of the email thing,” he added. “But I don’t know, assuming she could get over that, which I just don’t know how she possibly can, but if assuming she could, I would say it would be pretty equal.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-heads-cover-rolling-stone-mag-report-article-1.2334807

http://research.microsoft.com/en-US/projects/project_bam/bam.gif

In other words "Hillary you fucked up. Dont look down your nose at me bitch, I am the one who knows what they are doing. "
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 24 Aug, 2015 11:12 pm
Joe Biden Worried That Hillary Clinton Isn't Credible On Income Inequality
Source: The Huffington Post-2 hours ago

If Vice President Joe Biden decides to jump into the presidential race, his decision will be driven, he has said in recent conversations, by a belief that Hillary Clinton's background won't allow her to be a credible messenger when it comes to income inequality, which Biden sees as a defining issue. But even as Biden sees that opening, and is being urged by members of his family to run, his remaining reluctance stems from his wife Jill Biden's discomfort with a bid at this moment.

A former adviser who remains close to the vice president said Biden is weighing his wife's comfort with a run and the conduct of the Clinton campaign as he finalizes his decision. His final choice on whether to run, according to a Democratic fundraiser who has met with Biden aides, will likely come in late September. However, another prominent Democratic fundraiser who has raised money for Biden in the past suggested that an entry could come as late as early October, in the weeks leading up to the first Democratic debate.

Biden's ultimate decision is complicated by delicate, emotionally raw family dynamics. According to the former adviser, who requested anonymity to speak openly, Jill Biden remains hesitant about a campaign as she continues to grieve the death of Beau Biden, who died in May at the age of 46. Beau reportedly encouraged his father to make a third run at the presidency before his death, and the vice president sees the possible campaign as a vehicle to promote Beau's legacy and the issues he cared about.

Beyond family misgivings, Biden is also waiting to see how the current Democratic primary process plays out. It's not just Hillary Clinton's trouble shaking criticism over her use of a private email account while secretary of state that he's watching. Biden has also expressed concerns in conversations with fellow Democrats that Clinton won't be able to effectively push issues like economic inequality, owing to her time at the Clinton foundation and the paid speeches she's given since leaving the State Department.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joe-biden-hillary-clinton_55db83dfe4b0a40aa3abd3d8
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 24 Aug, 2015 11:19 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Jill Biden remains hesitant about a campaign as she continues to grieve the death of Beau Biden, who died in May at the age of 46. Beau reportedly encouraged his father to make a third run at the presidency before his death, and the vice president sees the possible campaign as a vehicle to promote Beau's legacy and the issues he cared about.

then she needs to STFU and let her man do what he needs to do. And he needs to insist upon it.
Lash
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2015 04:20 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Sounds like Biden's wife is afraid of what the Clinton machine will do to her husband - and she has a reason to be. I don't buy the grieving excuse. Beau was Joe's son. I think he gets dibs on the grieving process.

I like that Joe wants to focus on income inequality. He's be a fine Veep for Bernie Smile

Lash
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2015 04:25 am
@hawkeye10,
He can insist on stuff if he wants to live alone. Obviously he prefers life with this chick - nobody can disregard their life partner and expect to keep her. Dude, wouldn't you want your partner on fully if you were going to step into the crucible?

I cast a wary eye at your partner skillz.
revelette2
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2015 06:29 am
@Lash,
Tell me about it.

Quote:
and let her man do what he needs to do. And he needs to insist upon it.


Who talks like that in this day and age and thinks they can get away with it? Reminds me of that old show "The Honeymooners."

snood
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2015 06:32 am
@revelette2,
How do you think Jill Biden would take to being told that Joe has "dibs" on mourning for Beau?
revelette2
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2015 06:44 am
@snood,
I can't imagine Joe Biden saying it to begin with. Jill Biden probably felt Beau was her son as well. Wasn't it five years later after his first wife and son died in the tragic accident that he married Jill Biden?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2015 06:50 am
@Lash,
And Biden/Sanders works well, also.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2015 06:52 am
Black Lives Matter, except for Ricky Ray Rector
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/05/22/520138/-Bill-Clinton-Killed-A-Black-Man-To-Become-President

I will never forget the phone call I received from a Clinton operative, jubilant after Clinton's public dissing of Souljah and Jackson, crowing "together with burning Rector, this will take us into the White House!"


The majority of Democratic candidates are against the death penalty now

Sanders has come out against it
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/bernie-sanders-death-penalty-state-shouldnt-be-business-killing-people

O'Malley actually ended the death penalty in Maryland
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-02/news/bs-md-death-penalty-bill-sign-20130502_1_death-penalty-repeal-capital-punishment

Chafee wants to end the death penalty
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ways-lincoln-chafee-change-us-world/story?id=31511180


Given the disproportional number of people of color on death row and in prison, for whom do black lives really matter?

There's blatant inequality at nearly every phase of the criminal justice system
http://www.businessinsider.com/theres-blatant-inequality-at-nearly-every-phase-of-the-criminal-justice-system-2015-8

Note huge increases under Clinton and Bush (starting, of course, with Reagan)

http://www.sentencingproject.org/images/photo/1_US_prison_pop_1925-2013.png
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snood
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2015 06:52 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I can't imagine Joe Biden saying it to begin with. Jill Biden probably felt Beau was her son as well. Wasn't it five years later after his first wife and son died in the tragic accident that he married Jill Biden?

No, I don't think anyone but someone with a vast reservoir of poisonous bile stuck in their craw could even suggest that vile a thing about a mother who had recently lost a son and was having that loss affect her decision making process.

But someone just suggested that on this thread.
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RABEL222
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2015 04:38 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Why? My statement was as accurate as yours.

Quote:
Why would you accuse a Bernie Sanders supporter of being a right winger???????????????????????????????????


Where did I do this. Maybe you should reread my statement because I never said a Bernie supporter was conservative, unless you are refering to Lash who has been conservative for as long as I have been on these sites, and I firmly believe she is a paid provocateur who hates Hillery and thinks Bernie will be easier to beat in this election.
 

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