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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
giujohn
 
  -2  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 12:04 pm
@revelette2,
I agree... Hillary is contemptuous of 25% of the electorate... So now we know her real feelings... She's such an elitist and of course a race pimp.
Real Music
 
  5  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 12:54 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
Farmboy would rather have a society where everyone is afraid to speak their mind for fear of being accused of being a bigot a racist homophobe and islamophobe where the leftists will emasculate the Constitution install leftist judges who will legislate From the Bench

I would argue that right wing conservatives will emasculate the Constitution installing right wing judges who will legislate from the bench.

http://www.ballardspahr.com/alertspublications/legalalerts/2013-06-27-supreme-court-strikes-down-voting-rights-acts-preclearance-formula.aspx
Quote:
June 27, 2013

Supreme Court Strikes down Voting Rights Act’s ‘Preclearance’ Formula
by the Government Relations, Regulatory Affairs and Contracting Group

In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court held Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 unconstitutional. Section 4 contained the legislative formula to determine which jurisdictions must get “preclearance” from the federal government to change their voting laws—a procedure mandated by Section 5 of the Act. The formula had not been updated by Congress since 1975. The Court held that the decline in racially discriminatory practices in the last decades—which occurred in large part because of the Voting Rights Act—rendered the formula too outdated to pass constitutional muster.

This ruling has significant implications for states, especially those previously covered by the preclearance requirement, in which lawmakers are contemplating changes to state laws governing elections and redistricting.

In Shelby County v. Holder, an Alabama county covered by the preclearance requirement challenged that Section 5 itself was unconstitutional. It complained that when Congress reauthorized Section 5 in 2006, it lacked the power to do so under the 14th and 15th Amendments, and thus violated the 10th Amendment and Article IV of the U.S. Constitution. Section 5 imposed too great a burden in the county’s view, requiring it to “go hat in hand to Justice Department officialdom to seek approval, or embark on expansive litigation in a remote judicial venue.” The Court had hinted just four years ago in Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District No. 1 v. Holder that Section 5’s burden might be too much, noting that it raised “serious constitutional questions.”

Despite these questions and the county’s pleas, Section 5 survived the Court’s decision in Shelby County, though in letter only. Writing for the Court, Chief Justice Roberts opted to strike down only the formula in Section 4 that determined which jurisdictions would be subject to the preclearance requirements. Though in 1965 Congress could justifiably require states with a then-recent history of voting tests and low voter registration and turnout to obtain preclearance for changes to voting laws, the Court noted, “the nation is no longer divided along those lines, yet the Voting Rights Act continues to treat it as if it were.”

Without Section 4, Section 5 has no effect, since no states or jurisdictions are subject to the preclearance mandate. And yet by leaving Section 5 in place, the Court left an opening for Congress to enact a formula that “identif[ies] those jurisdictions to be singled out on a basis that makes sense in light of the current conditions.” That said, the Court signaled that Congress will have a difficult time justifying the imposition of preclearance requirements on any jurisdictions. It explained that Section 5 had been appropriate in 1965 because of the “insidious and pervasive evil which had been perpetuated in certain parts of our country.” Absent such circumstances, extreme measures like Section 5 were “not otherwise appropriate,” the Court said.

Justice Ginsburg, joined by Justices Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan, wrote a passionate dissent. She challenged that “n the Court’s view, the very success of [Section] 5 . . . demands its dormancy.” Congress, on the other hand, had recognized “based on [the] voluminous record” it considered when reauthorizing the Act in 2006 “that the scourge of discrimination was not yet extirpated.” Whether Section 5 was still necessary was Congress’s decision to make, Justice Ginsburg explained.

The dissent raised a significant question of how courts scrutinize Congress’s power to enforce the 15th Amendment in voting rights cases, which many thought the decision would answer. In an early case challenging the Voting Rights Act, the Court held that Congress needed only a “rational basis” to pass anti-discrimination voting laws under the 15th Amendment. In 2009, the Court suggested that the much harsher test applicable to the 14th Amendment might apply instead. Shelby County suggests the harsher standard indeed applies, although the Court did not provide any justification. Some predict this understated shift in the level of scrutiny applied may lead to a flurry of challenges to Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, which applies nationwide to prohibit racial discrimination in voting and was “in no way” affected by the Court’s Shelby County decision.

No matter the impact of this case on future Section 2 suits, the demise of Section 4 has had and will continue to have substantial effects. Mere hours after the Court issued its decision, Texas announced that it would activate its controversial voter ID law and possibly the redistricting maps passed by the Texas legislature. The North Carolina legislature has also indicated its plan to enact a statute, stalled in the state senate awaiting the Supreme Court’s decision, that requires voters to present state-issued photo ID to vote

izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 12:55 pm
@giujohn,
Glad to see you've been paying some attention, but you're still not there. Trump does not command 50% of the electorate so it's not 25%.

Stop putting America down. I can't believe 25% of the population are arseholes and you shouldn't be suggesting such a thing.
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reasoning logic
 
  -2  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 01:57 pm
New Hillary ad.

glitterbag
 
  2  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 02:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
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Thank you for the complement. Don't you hate how the Canadians, Russians and the rest of the world are trying to bring Hillary down]

Huh, that's an interesting viewpoint (beats a hasty retreat in case speaker is an escapee from a local mental hospital)
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glitterbag
 
  6  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 02:22 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Quote:
Hillary Clinton said Friday that “half” of Donald Trump’s supporters could be grouped in “the basket of deplorables” at a fundraising event in New York City.


“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the 'basket of deplorables'. Right?” Clinton said to applause and laughter from the crowd of supporters at an LGBT for Hillary fundraiser where Barbra Streisand performed. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it.”

“And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up,” she added.

Clinton then noted, as she has several times in the past, that Trump has “given voice” to white supremacist and anti-Semitic voices on the Internet.


source

Smile



Finally, Hillary stated the obvious. I'm happy she did.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 02:52 pm
@glitterbag,
I suspect that statements like that sound OK when uttered among a crowd of true believeing progressives who enbrace the delusions of self-styled savants who, notwithstanding the lessons of human history, claim to uniquely know how to solve the many problems of human civilization. Spoken among a larger crowd, including people who either think for themselves and/or who understand the contradictions in the ant hill society envisioned by these "progressives, they don't sound so good at all. Indeed their self-absorbed elitism and ignorant closed-minded prejudices quickly become obvious for all to see.

I predict Hillary will quickly back away from these remarks.

They do however remind us that she dwells in a world of her imagining, not the one we inhabit, and that she has little respect for the freedom and individuality of others.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:13 pm
@georgeob1,
You do realize, don't you, that Donald Trump claims that only he has the knowledge, skill, and ability to solve all the country';s problems, and only he can do it. Of course he won't tell us how he proposes to do it.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:15 pm
@georgeob1,
A claim for the truly gullible, And that does seem to be about a quarter of the electorarte. Totally fits your picture of progressives, and Donal Trump is a true Regressive. You're out in left field again, obby. Face it, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Brand X
 
  1  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
Gold.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:24 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

You do realize, don't you, that Donald Trump claims that only he has the knowledge, skill, and ability to solve all the country';s problems, and only he can do it. Of course he won't tell us how he proposes to do it.


It appears your point here is that the alternative to Hillary has similar faults. That's an interesting topic, but it isn't one I was addressing.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:28 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

A claim for the truly gullible, And that does seem to be about a quarter of the electorarte. Totally fits your picture of progressives, and Donal Trump is a true Regressive. You're out in left field again, obby. Face it, you have no idea what you're talking about.


I'll argee that Hillary's comments were indeed a claim for gullible progressives. That was my point.

It appears that your argument now is something like ,,, "so is your's.... "

Not very inventive or illuminating. Is that the best you can do to address a serious, considered point?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:45 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

I predict Hillary will quickly back away from these remarks.


I agree with just about everything in your post but this. In order for her to back away from these comments they must first get enough wide spread attention from the media to generate a backlash and then her regret.

I just don't see that happening.

Did Obama ever back away from his "clinging to guns and God" comment? I don't recall, but my memory, not entirely worthy these days, tells me the comments didn't get wide coverage in the MSM either.
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High Strangeness
 
  0  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:48 pm
@MontereyJack,
said- "Donald Trump claims that only he has the knowledge, skill, and ability to solve all the country';s problems, and only he can do it. Of course he won't tell us how he proposes to do it"
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Well he's made 10 billion dollars so he must know something..Wink
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:50 pm
@georgeob1,
I assume you're trying to be snarky, since the claim clearly referred to Trump, not Hillary, as anyone conversant with English should realize. And my point was that your fantasy description of progressive behavior was far more descriptive of Trump, the uber right winger, than anything progressives think or do.
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:54 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

I assume you're trying to be snarky, since the claim clearly referred to Trump, not Hillary, as anyone conversant with English should realize. And my point was that your fantasy description of progressive behavior was far more descriptive of Trump, the uber right winger, than anything progressives think or do.

You are accusing me of being snarky????

I fully understood your post and the empty "so's yours" clain that you attempted to disguise in it. Indeed I was explicit on that point.

MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:55 pm
@High Strangeness,
He's verifiedly lied about everything else, and it looks like he's lieing about that too. And it's pretty clear that he made his money by cheating his business associates, the people who did his contracts, his employees, and the models who worked for his modelling agency, not to mention the people who believed what he claimed and bought "courses" at Trump University. He DOES know how wo scam people, indeed has an unparallelled knowledge of it, I'll give you that.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:59 pm
@georgeob1,
no, the claim was that your description had absolutely nothing to do with progressives, not that Trump was doing the same thing. Every time you guys try to characterize liberals or progressives, the only thing that springs to mind is just how wacked you are.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 04:17 pm
@MontereyJack,
Nonsense. I merely said that Hillary's very perjurative statements might appeal to progressives, many of whom entertain unjustified contempt for those who don't share their perspectives, and who often fail to see the hypocrisy and contradictions in their characterizations of all who disagree with them. However, as I added, the intolerance and hypocrisy so evident in the remarks will likely cause her to back away from what she said.

Indeed I just hears a news report that indicated that some of that has already occurred.

You are a bit slow. That's got to be tough, given your argumentive disposition.

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giujohn
 
  -1  
Sat 10 Sep, 2016 04:20 pm
@Real Music,
I guess you're not familiar with the term legislating from the bench because you don't seem to have a grasp on its meaning
 

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