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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
revelette2
 
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Tue 30 Aug, 2016 06:39 am
A Putin-sponsored October surprise?

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The Russians have just given us an August glimpse of a potential October surprise.

We learned earlier this summer that cyber-hackers widely believed to be tied to the Kremlin have broken into the email of the Democratic National Committee and others. The Post’s Ellen Nakashima reported Monday night that Russian hackers have also been targeting state voter-registration systems. And, in an apparent effort to boost Donald Trump’s presidential candidacy, they’re leaking what they believe to be the most damaging documents at strategic points in the campaign.

Last week, we learned something else: The Russians aren’t just hackers — they’re also hacks. Turns out that before leaking their stolen information, they are in some cases doctoring the documents, making edits that add false information and then passing the documents off as the originals.

Foreign Policy’s Elias Groll reported last week that the hackers goofed: They posted both the original versions of at least three documents and their edited versions. These documents, stolen from George Soros’s Open Society Foundations, were altered by the hackers to create the false impression that Russian anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny was funded by Soros. A pro-Russian hacking group, CyberBerkut, had inserted Navalny’s name, bogus dollar amounts and fabricated wording.

This raises an intriguing possibility: Are Vladimir Putin’s operatives planning to dump edited DNC documents on the eve of the presidential election?

Perhaps they’ll show that the Clinton Foundation has been funding the Islamic State, or they’ll have Hillary Clinton admitting that she didn’t care about those Americans who died in Benghazi after all. Maybe they’ll show that she really did lose most of her brain function in that fall several years ago and is now relying on Anthony Weiner to make all of her decisions.
Russian “dezinformatsiya” campaigns such as this go back to the Cold War; the Soviet portrayal of AIDS as a CIA plot was a classic case. But this type of cyberwar — email hacking and, now, the altering and release of the stolen documents — is a novel It’s tempting to wonder how differently the Cold War might have gone had there been cyber-hackers back then. We’ll never know, of course, because the Soviet Union crumbled before Al Gore invented the Internet.

But it’s clear that Russia’s disinformation wars are as active as ever. On Sunday, Neil MacFarquhar wrote in the New York Times about Russian attempts to undermine a Swedish military partnership with NATO. The campaign is spreading false information that there’s a secret nuclear weapons stockpile in Sweden and alleging that NATO soldiers could rape Swedish women with impunity. This Russian use of “weaponized information” helped cause confusion in Ukraine in 2014, when conspiracy theories spread by the Russians about the downing of a Malaysian Airlines jet helped Russians justify their invasion of Crimea.

So does this point to a Putin-sponsored October surprise?

Putin has meddled in domestic politics in France, the Netherlands, Britain and elsewhere, helping extreme political parties to destabilize those countries. He appears to be doing much the same now in the United States, where, in addition to the DNC and state voter system hacks, there have also been reports this summer about Russia hiring Internet trolls to pose on Twitter and elsewhere in social media as pro-Trump Americans. Trump and Putin have expressed their mutual admiration, and even after the departure of Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, Trump and several top advisers have close ties to Moscow.

The hyper-competitive American media environment is vulnerable to the sort of technique the Russian hackers used in the Soros case — stealing documents, altering them, then releasing them as the original. If Putin’s hackers were to release such a doctored document smearing Clinton in, say, late October, it’s likely that competition would lead outlets to report on the hacked documents before they had a chance to see whether and how they were altered.

We don’t know what, if anything, Putin’s hackers have planned for this fall. But the doctored Soros documents could be a clue.


I am thinking Clinton's main opponent may be Putin with Trump's face on it. I guess in October we can get ready for some salacious "scandal" to emerge from this coming internet dump from doctored documents. Certain folks are going to go around saying, "finally this will bring her down...yada yada" I just hope it doesn't work, not just for Clinton's sake but it is offensive to have interference from another country in our elections.
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giujohn
 
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Tue 30 Aug, 2016 08:13 am
@reasoning logic,
Oh yeah
Blickers
 
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Tue 30 Aug, 2016 08:42 am
Quote revellette:
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I am thinking Clinton's main opponent may be Putin with Trump's face on it.

+1. Exactly what is going on. And the strange thing is, the right wingers, who a generation ago were calling anyone who wanted to reach any kind of weapons agreement with the Russians "commies", are the ones falling head over heels over this Russian sellout, Trump.
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 30 Aug, 2016 08:52 am
@giujohn,
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revelette2
 
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Wed 31 Aug, 2016 06:04 am
Stop the False Media Balance Between Trump and Clinton
giujohn
 
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Fri 2 Sep, 2016 10:27 am
@giujohn,
wow it's not even Labor Day and Hillary's lead has shrunk to the margin of error... Can't wait until the rest of her schedule comes out and she has answered those questions from Judicial Watch lawsuit if she's lucky she'll be dead even with Trump but I suspect those 5 Points everybody's crowing about will be in Trump's favor in a month
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Real Music
 
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Fri 2 Sep, 2016 11:31 am

Funny Stuff

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ehBeth
 
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Fri 2 Sep, 2016 01:24 pm
Set and I were looking at the EC map the other night, discussing some of the things mentioned here (particularly the Carolinas).

We didn't see this prediction but the map is interesting.

(n.b. redstate is a well-known conservative news site, affiliated with townhall and bearingarms

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/09/02/report.-hillary-clinton-campaign-bracing-electoral-college-blowout/

the down-ballot fight is the important one

http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/09/02/finally-good-polling-news-republicans-electoral-mess/

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This could change and so what this says is the GOP had better start directing resources into some of the Senate races in danger of flipping to Democrats. A Hillary Clinton presidency is going to be bad enough without her having a Democratic led Senate and Chuck Schumer as majority leader for at least two years.

Contrary to the bellowing of the anti-establishment contingent, the Republican Party has been relatively effective in keeping President Obama from implementing a great deal of his agenda. For those who continue to exclaim the GOP gave him "everything he wanted" it flies in the face of facts. For example, Obama hasn't been able to get any of his anti-gun proposals to his desk for signature.

A GOP led Senate will be critical to keeping a President Hillary in check. This poll offers a glimpse it is possible for the GOP to retain their Senate majority.


I'd be volunteering my call time at that level if I was an American - regardless of party affiliation.
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ehBeth
 
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Fri 2 Sep, 2016 01:26 pm
@revelette2,
Connected to this (from redstate)

http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/09/02/and-the-moderators-for-the-2016-presidential-debates-are/

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Of course, now the question will go back to whether or not Trump will show up to the debates. I'm still willing to wager that he'll talk about an unfair media, make people tune in just to see if he shows up, and he'll be there as he always intended to be. His goal, remember, is to appear in the media as much as possible.
revelette2
 
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Fri 2 Sep, 2016 02:56 pm
@ehBeth,
I haven't really doubted he would show up for the debate, I'd be very surprised if he didn't.

On your other post, I agree, without a democrat senate with filibuster proof majority, Hillary won't be able to get any of her policies passed. It is a sad state of our country that we are hopelessly deadlocked/partisan in the country and congress.

On the polls, Trump has gotten closer than he was right after the democratic convention. All the news coming out with Hilary released emails and FBI notes are not helping Hillary's favorable numbers. However she is still ahead of where Obama was when he beat Romney in 2012. Pretty sure she will win.

If the election were held today, Hillary Clinton would almost certainly become America’s next president.
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reasoning logic
 
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Fri 2 Sep, 2016 09:01 pm
Do you think Hitlary will survive this?


http://observer.com/2016/09/fbi-data-dump-shows-clinton-is-criminal-and-clueless/
RABEL222
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 12:23 am
@reasoning logic,
There you go again posting someones opinion as fact. The fbi dident say anything like what this conservative article said. But I have to concede that since every news source in the U S from fox news to the AP is printing tRumps name in articles by conservatives he dosent have to spend any way near as much as Hillary does. Murdock and the Koch brothers have the U S media well in hand. Hell if you want to see what Hillary is talking about and doing you have to go to the BBC.
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giujohn
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 04:13 am
@reasoning logic,
she is screwed blued and tattooed
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 05:24 am
RuPaul just gave the most politically pragmatic endorsement of Hillary Clinton

RuPaul, the host of the now-Emmy-nominated RuPaul’s Drag Race, apparently has a few thoughts about the presidential election. And they amount to one of the strongest — certainly one of the most colorful — endorsements of Hillary Clinton so far this year.

Asked about his feelings on Democrats and Hillary Clinton by E. Alex Jung at Vulture, RuPaul replied:

"I ******* love them. I have always loved them. And let me just say this: If you're a politician — not just in Washington but in business and industry, you have to be a politician — there are a lot of things that you have to do that you're not proud of. There are a lot of compromises you have to make because it means that you can get this other thing over here. And if you think that you can go to ******* Washington and be rainbows and butterflies the whole time, you're living in a ******* fantasy world. So now, having said that, think about what a female has to do with that: All of those compromises, all of that ****, double it by ten. And you get to understand who this woman is and how powerful, persuasive, brilliant, and resilient she is. Any female executive, anybody who has been put to the side — women, blacks, gays — for them to succeed in a white-male-dominated culture is an act of brilliance. Of resilience, of grit, of everything you can imagine. So, what do I think of Hillary? I think she's ******* awesome. Is she in bed with Wall Street? Goddammit, I should hope so! You've got to dance with the devil. So which of the horrible people do you want? That's more of the question. Do you want a pompous braggart who doesn't know anything about diplomacy? Or do you want a badass bitch who knows how to get **** done? That's really the question."


http://www.vox.com/2016/8/12/12460042/rupaul-hillary-clinton
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revelette2
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 06:26 am
Frank Bruni: Crying Wolf, Then Confronting Trump

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Conservative commentators and die-hard Republicans often brush off denunciations of Donald Trump as an unprincipled hatemonger by saying: Yeah, yeah, that’s what Democrats wail about every Republican they’re trying to take down. Sing me a song I haven’t heard so many times before.

Howard Wolfson would be outraged by that response if he didn’t recognize its aptness.

“There’s enough truth to it to compel some self-reflection,” Wolfson, who was the communications director for Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid in 2008, told me this week.

In fact, he finds himself thinking about it a whole lot: how extreme the put-downs of political adversaries have become; how automatically combatants adopt postures of unalloyed outrage; what this means when they come upon a crossroads — and a candidate — of much greater, graver danger.

“I worked on the presidential campaign in 2004,” he said, referring to John Kerry’s contest against George W. Bush. He added that he was also “active in discussing” John McCain when he ran for the presidency in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012.

“And I’m quite confident I employed language that, in retrospect, was hyperbolic and inaccurate, language that cheapened my ability — our ability — to talk about this moment with accuracy and credibility.”

Did Democrats cry wolf so many times before Trump that no one hears or heeds them now?

That’s a question being asked with increasing frequency, though mostly in conservative circles and publications. An essay by Jonah Goldberg in National Review in late July had this headline: “How the Media’s History of Smearing Republicans Now Helps Trump.”

In Commentary, Noah Rothman has repeatedly examined this subject. He wrote back in March that when “honorable and decent men” like McCain and Romney “are reflexively dubbed racists simply for opposing Democratic policies, the result is a G.O.P. electorate that doesn’t listen to admonitions when the genuine article is in their midst.”

“Today,” he added, “they point and shout ‘racist’ into the void, but Democrats only have themselves to blame for the fact that so many on the right are no longer listening.”

I think he’s being more than a bit disingenuous about the potential receptiveness of the right — or the left — to anything that the other side says in this polarized, partisan age. There hasn’t been all that much listening for some time.

Also, the Democratic condemnations of McCain and Romney weren’t as widespread and operatic as the ones of Trump.

And this is a two-way street. Republicans paint a broad spectrum of Democrats as socialist kooks, and Obama has been as strong a magnet for hyperbole as any politician in my lifetime. Let us not forget Dinesh D’Souza’s 2010 book “The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” or Newt Gingrich’s assertion that “only if you understand Kenyan, anticolonial behavior” can you grasp Obama’s method of governing, or Trump’s insistence that Obama produce his American birth certificate.

The sad truth is that we conduct the bulk of our political debate in a key of near-hysteria. And this renders complaints of discrepant urgency, about politicians of different recklessness, into one big, ignorable mush of partisan rancor.

What stands out in this presidential campaign aren’t the alarms that Democrats are sounding about the Republican nominee but the ones that an unusual number of Republican defectors are. That’s what’s unfamiliar. And that’s what’s wounding Trump.

Democrats were indeed dire about Romney, even though many of them, including President Obama, now speak of him fondly, as a Republican whose prescriptions might be flawed but whose heart is true.

Four years ago, he was a bloodsucking capitalist vampire whose indictment of Obamacare was ipso facto proof of his racism. In The Daily Beast, he was called a “race-mongering pyromaniac.” On MSNBC, he was accused, by a black commentator, of the “niggerization” of Obama into “the scary black man who we’ve been trained to fear.”

Romney was supposedly out of touch with reality — never mind that he had governed a blue state, Massachusetts, without cataclysmic incident — just as McCain was described, in some quarters, as a combustible hothead who couldn’t be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes. He was Trump before Trump, which makes Trump less Trump.

And those are just the presidential candidates. Plenty of other Republicans have confronted charges of florid racism and incipient fascism that apply to some of them infinitely better than to others. Gradations disappear. Distinctions vanish.

Important words are hollowed out, so that they lose their precision and their sting, and exist mainly to perpetuate a paralyzing climate of reciprocal hatred between political parties.

After Clinton’s 2008 campaign, Wolfson went on to work for New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a Democrat who became a Republican and then an independent. He’s still in the former mayor’s employ, as a senior adviser.

That’s the vantage point from which he has watched Trump’s ascent, and from which he’s making some crucial observations.

“It’s only when you find yourself describing someone who really is the definition of an extremist — who really is, essentially, in my opinion, a fascist — that you recognize that the language that you’ve used in the past to describe other people was hyperbolic and inappropriate and cheap,” Wolfson said.

“It doesn’t mean that you somehow retrospectively agree with their positions on issues,” he added. “But when the system confronts an actual, honest-to-God menace, it should compel some rethinking on our part about how we describe people who are far short of that.”

“We should take stock of this moment,” he said, “and recognize that our language really needs to be more accountable and more appropriate to the circumstances.” I hope we do.
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revelette2
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 09:36 am
@reasoning logic,
In a word, yes.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 11:46 am
I am sure some Hillary supporter can tell us why Republican claims that Hillary suffers some neurological deficit from a head injury is (as the Media generally agrees) utterly disgusting, but her using it as an excuse when being interviewed by the FBI is totally above board.

It doesn't really matter though because the people who are subject to changing their mind, by and large, are not studying all of these stories and looking for the ever elusive truth. They are swayed by impressions.

If they ever saw someone like Giuliani raise the issue during an interview or in a speech they may have thought "Another political low blow," and dismissed it, but then they get the same brief exposure to the fact that Hillary Clinton blamed her concussion for her ability to answer an FBI question and they may think "OK, may be Giuliani was on to something."

Or, they might think how delicious! In an attempt to weasel out of an FBI question, she inadvertently gave legs to the Republican attack.

Someone recently told me they thought Clinton would die the death of a thousand cuts before the election and lose.

She has far too many witless allies in the media slapping band-aids on each cut for her to lose enough blood before November, but when she wins, she will carry with her a thousand bleeding cuts into White House.

She will be seriously anemic.
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revelette2
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 11:57 am
@revelette2,
I don't know what happened, I imagine some would call it a Freudian slip, but I could have swore I put no on my last post. Oh well. In any event, it will not bring her down, all it is more of the same.
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revelette2
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 12:20 pm
The following link is from media matters, I already know finn's opinion of the site, it doesn't matter to me. Media Matter always has links embedded in quotes where the dates are to confirm any facts they make which makes it credible in my opinion.

FBI Memo Confirms Clinton Email Classification Story Has Little To Do With Her Private Server
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snood
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 01:19 pm
Is it a stretch for ANYONE (besides Finn) on this board to imagine taking a fall and taking a blow to the head hard enough for the doctor to tell you you were concussed; then having a little trouble focusing or remembering clearly for a few days?

No? Didn't think so.

Well is it a stretch for ANYONE (besides Finn) to see that acknowledging a concussion that really happened, and trying to say that a person is too addled and weak and sick to run for president are two different things?

Still no? Didn't think so.

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