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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 06:55 pm
@georgeob1,
Here, George, the GOP blocked Obama's infrastructure spending plan.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/25/478B-Infrastructure-Bill-Blocked-Senate-GOP
cicerone imposter
 
  5  
Sat 13 Aug, 2016 06:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The GOP planned to block all democrat's legislation until they get their tax cuts. The GOP tax cuts will benefit the rich, and does nothing to reduce our deficit.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/01/senate-republicans-vow-block-dem-legislation-tax-cuts-budget-pass.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/12/1335556/-The-great-Republican-tax-cut-scam-of-2015
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MontereyJack
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 07:04 pm
@georgeob1,
What do you thoink "worst tecedssion since the Depression means? This one was far worse than the averaoge, thanks to Republican conservanomics. Obama got us out of it anyway, and once agalin it is t t ue that all Democratic aldninistrations since Hoover have better records of job creation than ANY Republican one.!@
MontereyJack
 
  5  
Sat 13 Aug, 2016 07:11 pm
@MontereyJack,
The whole conse r bative meme of extreme overregulation is bogus too . Hasn't hasppened. Should have,because a lot of the economic crash was duue to Repub gutting of laws basecd on lessons leadrned from the Depression annd thre GOP seems hellbent on repeating it .
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sat 13 Aug, 2016 07:19 pm
@MontereyJack,
Proof is in the pudding.
http://fortune.com/2014/07/29/economic-growth-democratic-presidents/
MontereyJack
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 07:27 pm
@MontereyJack,
And as to Obamacare, the day he took office theGOP planned to block evrrything he did. To try to get Rrpubs to support health reform he modeled obamavare on te republican romneycare which was based on an uberconsrvative heritage foundation plan. noo luck. I rrmember him asking humbly for them. to sit at the table with him. They stonewalde. a bipartisan group of senators came up with a joint plAn. Tthe House stonewalled. Obama tried repeatedly, and finally just did it without them. You will notice thst the country backed him , not the GOP in 2012 as it will this year.
blatham
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 07:52 pm
@georgeob1,
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However none of them are sciences

This is trivial.

You made a series of claims in your post about what is real or true as regards where the obstructionism originated during this administration. You made no attempt to verify what you were claiming. You made no attempt to back it up with any careful analysis supported by evidence.

I asked you to provide such analysis or citations to careful studies might provide you with support. This was neither unfair nor intellectually improper for me to do so. You have provided nothing so far to back up your claims.

Can you cite any historian or scholar or even any careful analysis from anyone to satisfy my entirely appropriate request? Let's note that I have done just that above.
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snood
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 07:53 pm
@MontereyJack,
That's how I remember it, too. The GOP leadership wasn't even shy about admitting they planned to blockade this president. One of their main mouthpieces - Limbaugh - went on the record about how he "hopes this president fails". Such utter bullshit that they are trying to spin those first years as if they were trying to find middle ground and Obama rebuffed them.
It's just one more lie conservatives have to tell themselves. Like the civil war wasn't fought over slavery. Like The republicans are the party of civil rights. Obama was a divisive, contrarian president who refused to work with Republicans. In a pigs eye.
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Blickers
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 07:58 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote georgeob1:
Quote:
Remember Obama's "shovel ready" infrastructure jobs eight years ago? What we saw instead was zero effective investment in infrastructure, near zero net job creation due to the program in the slowest recovery from a recession since WWII, driven by a vast expansion in government regulation that stifled investment and job creation

When Obama first took office, the country had LOST 5.5 Million Full Time jobs the previous year. That slide continued into Obama's first year when Obama got his economic stimulus package passed, which you are attempting to denigrate now. Result? Obama's second year the country GAINED 1.6 Million Full Time jobs. Obama's stimulus package worked-but since your source of information is the right wing media, you post as if the success was a failure. And sadder still, you probably believe it.

As far as your further blather about expansion in government regulation causing the lack of a recovery, they count for nothing since the economy recovered. In case you haven't figured this out, going from LOSING 5.5 Million Full Time jobs to GAINING 1.6 Million Full Time jobs two years later is a success-unless you think a two year improvement of over 7.1 Million Full Time jobs per year counts as nothing.
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blatham
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 08:01 pm
@george
Another instance. This from Michael Strain of the AEI writing at National Review

Quote:
The Republican Party, the imperfect political vehicle for the conservative movement, needs a tune-up as well.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438936/after-trump-gop-conservative-reform

Such examples are a dime a dozen. If you bother to read and pay attention. I will not respond to any further post you write which suggests that "the conservative movement" or "movement conservatism" are meaningless terms that refer to nothing or terms which originate in leftist dogma or from within my distorted mind. I"m not going to waste my time.
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RABEL222
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 09:06 pm
@revelette2,
The only to get a democratic house is to elect a democratic president and get a liberal Supreme Court so they can destroy the gerrymandering the republicans have done since Ronny Raygun was president. It will take about 8 to 10 years.
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RABEL222
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 09:10 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
If you can overlook Bush and Chaney for 8 years, surly you can let us overlook Hillary for 8 years.
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RABEL222
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 09:13 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Right you are. Russia is now a Putin dictatorship trying its damdest to add Trumps US of A to his dictatorship.
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 09:17 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

What do you thoink "worst tecedssion since the Depression means? This one was far worse than the averaoge, thanks to Republican conservanomics. Obama got us out of it anyway, and once agalin it is t t ue that all Democratic aldninistrations since Hoover have better records of job creation than ANY Republican one.!

You appear to be very confused. I didn't use the phrase you put in quotes, and don't accept the truth of it, if applied to the 2007 collapse of the bubble in housing prices, induced by the profligate pumping of capital into that market by Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Indeed that one, in terms of its macroeconomic effects, was no worse than the collapse of the dot.com bubble in 2000 and was far less signioficant than the stagflation left behind by the hapless Jimmy Carter. What I did refer to was the slowest recovery from a rcession since WWII, that a likely result of the uncertainty attending the explosion on Federal Rules governing an ever expanding breath of business related activities under our current president and abetted by ill-conceived laws like Dodd Frank and others.

Governments don't "create jobs" in the private sector. However they, by their policies, can influence future economic investment and growth. The most effective jobs creation program under FDR was called World War II. There are many and variable delays in the action of government policies abetting or inhibiting economic growth, and all politicians are quick to claim good things the occured on their watches while blaming the bad stuff on their prececessors. There's lots of differnt arguments out there, both pro and con for the sweepimg judgment you offered us. Yours is merely an empty assertion and I don't buy it..
RABEL222
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 09:18 pm
@parados,
Big deal! the republican house hasent passed enough bills for anyone to veto.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 09:30 pm
@RABEL222,
Here's a pretty good analysis on our economy.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/investopedia/2012/08/31/gop-vs-democrats-whos-best-for-americas-economy/#4565908a3e80
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 09:46 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
but they are not science.

That's another dodge. Do you wish to pronounce that nothing in the area of politics, history, statistics etc is worthy of any attention at all because nothing in it is verifiable or knowable?

No "dodge" at all. You are misrepresenting what I wrote and trying to attribute to me things I neither said nor implied.. Indeed I made a statement quite to the contrary of yours just above your post. I suspect you know that.
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maporsche
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 10:13 pm
@Lash,
Tell me how much money the Clinton family makes from the non-profit Clinton Fiundation?
Blickers
 
  4  
Sat 13 Aug, 2016 10:35 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote georgeob1:
Quote:
Indeed that one, [2007 recession], in terms of its macroeconomic effects, was no worse than the collapse of the dot.com bubble in 2000 and was far less signioficant than the stagflation left behind by the hapless Jimmy Carter.

Recessions are measured by the drop in Gross Domestic Product, inflation adjusted. Here is the Gross Domestic Product, inflation adjusted, since 1950:

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/GDP%20constant%20dollars%20since%201950_zpsebvckvwm.jpg
As you can see, Monterrey Jack is right and you are wrong. The recession in 2008, that I encircled in red, is far worse than any blip on the screen which happened in 2000 or even the recession of 1980. Those recessions are not even close to the 2008 recession. That is why getting out of this 2008 recession, with it's enormous loss of 11 Million Full Time jobs, is such a phenomenal accomplishment by the Obama Administration, the likes of which a person poorly educated in economics, such as yourself, can barely comprehend.
Lash
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 10:40 pm
@maporsche,
They have access to 3 billion currently. They sell political influence, and have amassed quite tidy sums for "public servants," don't you think?
 

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