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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
ossobucotemp
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 05:09 pm
@blatham,
This has all been at least modestly apparent from the start re Trump's background and behavior that he doesn't hide and instead flaunts.

The creepy thing is, people, many people, apparently will choose him.

Of course, I think, screenplay

Let me guess that there are nearing a hundred proposed film treatments flying around in the movie business.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 05:12 pm
@blatham,
BINGO! I used to see him as a narcissist, but sociopath fits a lot better.
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 05:16 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Understood. But I must say I had not previously considered the possibility that Trump might want to actually win the election and then proceed to do none of the work, only reap the perks.
ossobucotemp
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 05:32 pm
@blatham,
That would be only for a while. But he doesn't mind hazzerai in his life.
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glitterbag
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 05:34 pm
@blatham,
The scary thing is that none of the Trumps understand how it has to work. They are treating this as a brand-change. I can't fault them necessarily, when you are a hammer all you can see are nails.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 05:50 pm
@glitterbag,
Trump wants to stop or limit immigration. The reason America became great is because of the immigration to this country. We are a country of immigrants.
Quote:
From the beginning of American history, immigration has made the country "great." Thomas Paine, who wrote Common Sense, a treatise that probably did more than any other to radicalize the colonists in favor of the cause of independence in the 1770ss. Paine arrived to the colonies as an immigrant from England, in 1774, and Common Sense was published less than two years later. The wave of immigration at the turn of the 20th century helped propel the United States ahead of European powers economically and politically.


Also,
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/19/silicon-valley-wives-women-visa-immigration-work
farmerman
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 06:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
the entire Trumpfest is built on fear, not "becoming anything great".
There seems to be nothing positive that the GOP is pushing. Youd think theyd be delighted after the 8 years of Obama hqve pretty much wiped away the heartache of the previous Bush regime. (remember when the US almost went down the drain)

Dos nobody have a memory?

think SUpreme Court or 2020

glitterbag
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 07:08 pm
@farmerman,
It seems we now have the attention span of gnats.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 07:11 pm
@farmerman,
The GOP is pushing fear and division. All of these same people have ancestors that came from other countries. As a country of immigrants, to fear immigration is somewhat of an oxymoron.
The diversity of this country speaks for itself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 07:23 pm
Lots more "Lock her up!" tonight, I see.

The post-policy party in action.
farmerman
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 07:38 pm
@blatham,
I recall when Trump was making "deals" with the mobin Atlantic City. They conrolled all the construction qorkwr unions nd the hotel service unions and the garbage slingers. I wonder how many obstreperous employees got to sleep with the quahogs becuase of the Donald
Builder
 
  1  
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 07:54 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
...we now have the attention span of gnats.


Gnats are arthropoda, so they have a program to follow....
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 08:05 pm
@farmerman,
Yeah. What we don't wonder is whether or not he cared.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 08:38 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Yeah. What we don't wonder is whether or not he cared.


I think I can give you a hint.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 09:05 pm
From my twitter feed on the GOP convention....

Michael BeschlossVerified account
‏@BeschlossDC
Never seen anything quite like this.
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 09:09 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
I think I can give you a hint.

Better not. I have a long, long history of misreading women's hints.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 09:33 pm
@blatham,
Creep city. I don't remember all this from before, the fulsome concocked hate.

Are all the rest of us asleep?
Blickers
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 09:46 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Think they are. Maybe ODing in the Trumpfest.
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 10:18 pm
@ossobucotemp,
To be sure, I'd have to go back and watch some prior conventions which is the last thing I'd spend my time doing without pay. But I think this was unusual in the intensity and consistency its promotion of fear and hatred. No sunny Reagan here. Even Pat Buchanan's speech (which Molly Ivins described as sounding better in the original German) though similar in tone was directed at "liberals" and liberalism rather than at a specific person.

This is the state of conservatism now. That so many talk radio bozos have been supporting Trump and that Fox succumbed to his bullying and gave him an absolutely unprecedented level of coverage - even in the face of the bigotry and sexism and his crudeness and evident unfitness for the office - tells us something about the mechanics that have brought this situation about. This is a very low point for US conservatism.

On the plus side of things though, let's note that fears of significant violence outside of the arena have not come to pass. Culturally, the US is not anywhere near what was going on in the sixties. It's not even close. But Trump has been trying to push Nixon's "law and order" narrative and the base is so hungry for black and white formulations and evil to smite that they all have to frame or construct their perceptions in the manner we see. Sad!

ossobucotemp
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 10:34 pm
@blatham,
I do remember the sixties. Some folks had brains. I wasn't part of it, but interested.

I'm older, but a pal was one of the group who shut down UCLA. I happen not to be for shutting down universities so I both got them and was against them.

I looked him up at one point - eminent M.D. Memory of him? very funny man.

 

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