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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
maporsche
 
  3  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 01:07 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I don't know what this has to do with Hillary's email problem. The problem for Hillary was that the FBI did find thousands of work related emails that Hillary hadn't turned over even though she said that she had turned all of them over.


Here's how they found the 'missing' emails. It's not like she didn't try to turn them over, it's that they were fragments from various devices and email software changes/upgrades. This happens on all systems all the time.

If you can think of a way to manage a better email system that doesn't produce these fragments and issues over time, you'll be a millionaire.


Quote:
"The FBI also discovered several thousand work-related e-mails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014. We found those additional e-mails in a variety of ways. Some had been deleted over the years and we found traces of them on devices that supported or were connected to the private e-mail domain. Others we found by reviewing the archived government e-mail accounts of people who had been government employees at the same time as Secretary Clinton, including high-ranking officials at other agencies, people with whom a Secretary of State might naturally correspond.

This helped us recover work-related e-mails that were not among the 30,000 produced to State. Still others we recovered from the laborious review of the millions of e-mail fragments dumped into the slack space of the server decommissioned in 2013."
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 01:23 pm
Emails stay in your system even though you delete them. It's been proven that even when one message is overwritten, they can still be recovered.
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https://askleo.com/are_deleted_emails_really_deleted/
georgeob1
 
  2  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 01:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I agree. After the e mail controversy arose, Hillary had the memory in her server wiped clean - and not with a cloth. As a result no information can be recovered from it at all. We can only guess why that very unusual action was done.
maporsche
 
  3  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 01:44 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

I agree. Hillary had the memory in her server wiped clean - and not with a cloth. As a result no information can be recovered from it at all. WE can only guess why that very unusual action was done.


If that were true, then how did the FBI get the email fragments from the hard drive's slack space?
georgeob1
 
  0  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 01:44 pm
@maporsche,
That's why they got only fragments.
maporsche
 
  3  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 01:47 pm
@georgeob1,
Lol...that's not exactly how wiping a hard drive clean works.
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Blickers
 
  4  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 04:13 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote George:
Quote:
I think Blickers has given us a good snapshot of the contempt the so called progressive elite holds for the people and voters they claim to serve. i.e. the dummies care only about what affects them directly; they have a very short attention span; and they don't mind if their "leaders" lie to them.

Really, George? You've posted on politics on this board for how many years, yet you are supposedly unfamiliar with the concept of people voting more on "bread and butter" issues that affect them and their ability to live and support their families directly than on the contrived scandal of the month the Republicans come up with?

I would indeed say that any voter is foolish if they are near or at retirement age and they let Republicans talk them into believing that Emails are more important than the Republicans' plans to end Social Security and Medicare as we presently know them, to turn them into "means-tested" welfare programs. Unless, of course, the voter is so well financially established that the Republicans' tax cuts for the wealthy would overbalance the loss they would suffer from doing away with SS and Medicare-for those wealthy voters, a Republican vote would make sense. For anyone else near or at retirement age, they have to be nuts to vote Republican.

Keep dreaming that Emails are going to do it as an issue for the GOP this year, George. Despite the Republicans' best efforts, it's running out of steam already as an issue.

Baldimo
 
  -2  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 04:19 pm
@Blickers,
It's good to know that the only reason old people should vote is to hold on to their SS and Medicare. Any other subject and they are told to keep their old mouths shut.
snood
 
  4  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 04:21 pm
@Baldimo,
Yeah, who told 'em to do that? You have an example of someone telling elderly voters to keep their mouths shut?
Blickers
 
  4  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 04:23 pm
@Baldimo,
No, Baldimo, they're called "bread and butter" issues, and smart political commentators know the American voter has always voted that way. And rightfully so.
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Baldimo
 
  -2  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 04:31 pm
@snood,
Those on the left when elderly people express an opinion on politics that is outside SS and Medicare.
snood
 
  4  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 06:01 pm
@Baldimo,
Really? Hmm, I don't remember hearing that. Since it happens all the time with those on the left, I'm sure you can cite just one measly example of someone telling the elderly to keep quiet?

By the by, I'm not holding my breath waiting for you to substantiate something you said. We all know that was just one more thing you pulled out of your ass, then posted it like it was a fact.
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engineer
 
  2  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 06:24 pm
Interesting article on Clinton.

Quote:
This is not a profile of Hillary Clinton. It is not a review of her career or an assessment of her campaign. You won’t find any shocking revelations on her emails, on Benghazi, on Whitewater, or even on her health care plan.

This is an effort to answer a question I’ve been struggling with since at least 2008: Why is the Hillary Clinton described to me by her staff, her colleagues, and even her foes so different from the one I see on the campaign trail?

I’ve come to call it “the Gap.” There is the Hillary Clinton I watch on the nightly news and that I read described in the press. She is careful, calculated, cautious. Her speeches can sound like executive summaries from a committee report, the product of too many authors, too many voices, and too much fear of offense.

The Iraq War mars her record, and the private email server and the Goldman Sachs paydays frustrate even her admirers. Polls show most Americans doubt her basic honesty. Pundits write columns with headlines like “Why Is Clinton Disliked?”

And then there is the Hillary Clinton described to me by people who have worked with her, people I admire, people who understand Washington in ways I never will. Their Hillary Clinton is spoken of in superlatives: brilliant, funny, thoughtful, effective. She inspires a rare loyalty in ex-staff, and an unusual protectiveness even among former foes.

Obama administration officials, up to and including the president, badly want to see her win — there is something in the way she acted after the election, in the soldier she became and the colleague she showed herself to be, that has curdled the pride they felt in winning the 2008 primary into something close to guilt.

This is the Gap I set out to understand.


blatham
 
  1  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 06:53 pm
@engineer,
That's a hell of an interesting piece from ezra. Thansk!
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maxdancona
 
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Mon 11 Jul, 2016 06:55 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:

Here's how they found the 'missing' emails. It's not like she didn't try to turn them over, it's that they were fragments from various devices and email software changes/upgrades. This happens on all systems all the time.

If you can think of a way to manage a better email system that doesn't produce these fragments and issues over time, you'll be a millionaire.


The good news is that I can easily think of better "email systems" (actually operating system tools would do a better job... the email server software doesn't matter if you have a secure OS) that doesn't leave these "fragments".

The bad news is that someone else has not only already thought of them, but they are also Open Source Software. There are encrypted file systems (that make even the "fragments" unreadable) and zero fill tools (that overwrite the "fragments" with zeros).

Of course, you can't make the senders or recipients secure... but you can make the email server itself and any "support devices" secure.
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parados
 
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Mon 11 Jul, 2016 07:12 pm
@Lash,
ROFLMAO...

Leave it the the GOP to introduce an unconstitutional bill attacking Hillary.
They are free to pass it but every court in the land will tell them they are idiots for doing so.

US Constitution, Article 1, Section 9.
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blatham
 
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Mon 11 Jul, 2016 07:23 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Quote:
So, to win, the game changes to voter suppression, obstruction of a Dem president, constant fear and hate mongering backed by the right wing media, on-going investigations imply scandalous behavior and hidden-antiAmerican beliefs an despicable, perverse flaws in character.

It. Happens. Every. Time.


Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? They don't try to run on ideas, they just demagogue, fear-monger and spout slogans. They don't try to get more voters out, they just gerrymander and suppress. They no longer try to govern, they run against government and they use their power just to stay in office. I don't think you're necessarily a rotten amoral slug if you're republican, I just think if you're a rotten amoral slug the chances are you're a republican.

Let's leave those last two sentences aside (I think it is important to differentiate those who watch Fox and those who run and populate the network).

The term "post policy politics" (as a reference to the modern GOP) has been used by a lot of the writers, historians and political analysts I attend to. It's a very helpful concept in understanding what is going on with conservatism in the present. It would be an interesting (and necessarily expansive) project to nail down how this situation has come about but certainly one key element will be Roger Ailes. As you likely know, he was working for Mike Douglas's talk show between '64 and '68 and it was his coaching that taught Nixon how to present himself on TV. That's not unusual in itself but Ailes contribution then and since has been to effectively shift right wing politicos' attention to marketing and presentation. Don't slouch, don't sweat, don't admit error, don't defend - only attack, etc. Fox is a GOP marketing operation, it is definitely not an exercise in policy analysis/discussion. And very much like right wing talk radio but doing it even more effectively, Ailes has made the Fox network a medium for constant denigration of any idea/policy/individual who poses a threat to GOP electoral hopes.

As David Frum observed, the GOP thought they were directing Fox but came to realize too late that the opposite was the case.
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parados
 
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Mon 11 Jul, 2016 07:24 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
110 of the emails were classified at the time she sent of received them. Most of them were SECRET. Some of them were TOP SECRET.

The possibility that 3 of those 110 were erroneously marked as confidential does not excuse the other 107 (most of which were correctly marked SECRET or higher).

Oh for fucks sake.. NONE of them were marked SECRET at the time they were sent. That is the entire point of this. ZERO emails were correctly marked to classify them as secret at the time they were sent or received. The 3 emails that were shown to have any markings at all did NOT include the header required to show they were classified in any way.

Facts seem to elude you as you continue to make claims that are untrue. At this point I can only conclude you are intentionally lying.
parados
 
  3  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 07:26 pm
@maxdancona,
The majority of the emails were saved at the State Department when they were sent or received by others.
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 08:45 pm
I think the proposition that these guys/girls might be swayed by anything is a tad romantic. Their notions regarding the Clintons are now so deeply set that change would be very threatening to their world views and their certainties.

Hillary is going to win, perhaps by very large margins relative to the modern tendency to close races (it's what I expect). I think the Senate will fall back into Dem hands though that's more iffy.

And once she has won, all these dickbrains will feel they have legitimate reasons to do whatever they can imagine to thwart and obstruct her and even remove her from office. The popular will as demonstrated by the election will have absolutely no effect on what they think, say and do. Hillary will not be, cannot be, a legitimate President.
 

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