When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@georgeob1,

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And do you, Bernie, represent the style of Modern Liberalism in America?

Probably not. Though it would be fair to say that, I think, as regards Canadian liberalism. It's a tough question to answer accurately or objectively because modern liberalism isn't my area of study. Modern American conservatism and media are.

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The central theme of a large fraction of your comments here has involved efforts to impugn the motives and intentions of those with whom you don't agree on political issues.

That's actually a distortion of what I write and ideas I hold. For example, I have serious disagreements with David Frum, Robert Kagan, Michael Gerson and many other Republicans/conservatives in politics or, now, in media and criticize where I feel it valid but I don't denigrate their motives. And that is because their behaviors and things they say demonstrate an older conservative ethos.

I told you several days ago that we could quite accurately predict how Republican politicos and conservative media would react if no criminal charges were brought. And they have responded as I said and will continue doing so.

I understand that you take offense at my statements along these lines. I understand as well that you don't agree with much of what I write. Sorry about that but I do my homework.

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@revelette2,

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This whole email discussion is just so old and frankly, boring as heck. So, she used a private email server and a couple of emails were sent to her which were classified.

There are many good reasons to vote for Republicans. One is that Democrats think that it is no big deal when other Democrats engage in wrongdoing.

revelette2 wrote:

Consider Trump on the other side of that conversation and I would hope congress would just drop it. Surely they do not want Trump for President?

Of course they want Trump to be president. The Democrats want to violate our rights.

A vote for Trump is a vote to preserve American freedom.

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@blatham,

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Sorry about that but I do my homework.

Nonsense.

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@Baldimo,

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Except that she did indeed delete her govt emails, not just her personal emails. It wasn't until a FOIA request was made did the govt find out she hadn't passed along thousands of emails.

In 2014, a couple of years after she left office, Hillary received a request from the State Department to turn over her government Emails. She turned over 55,000 pages of them. To her knowledge, what was left was personal, so she deleted them, as was her right. Prior to that 2014 request, she might have sent some government business Emails that she deleted, but to her recollection she sent those Emails to the people who who were on the government system, which automatically records the Emails. At the time that she did this, the law only said that a government record must be made of Emails about government business, and Hillary felt that provided it. Once Hillary provided the 55,000 pages of Emails left on her server pertaining to government business as she was asked to do, (to be safe she included over 1,000 Emails that State judged to be personal, which were returned to her), Hillary then deleted her personal Emails which, a category which was not requested by State or anybody else and which she had every right to do.

The Secretary of State has a much bigger job description than just dealing with Emails, and since Emailing itself is relatively new to State, it's a process in motion to get it right. Like I said before, this is what computers looked like when Hillary went to school:

http://images.computerhistory.org/timeline/timeline_sw.languages_1963.sketchpad.jpg

Not guilty. Judicial Watch, eat my shorts.

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@maporsche,

...and she's not even competent enough to do that. LETS MAKE HER PRESIDENT!!!

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@oralloy,

Quote revellette:

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This whole email discussion is just so old and frankly, boring as heck. So, she used a private email server and a couple of emails were sent to her which were classified.

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There are many good reasons to vote for Republicans. One is that Democrats think that it is no big deal when other Democrats engage in wrongdoing.

Say how's that Email request to Bush 43 coming along to find out about the canning of all those US attorneys? 2007, I believe it was. "In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been lost."

According to the AP, soon-to-be-heroic technicians have uncovered 22 million email messages from the George W. Bush administration—far more than the Bush White House said they'd lost in the first place.

That's a lot of emails—but not as much data as you might first think. Berkeley estimated in 2003 the average email size to be around 18,500 bytes. That's about 379 gigabytes of lost email, give or take a few Powerpoints attachments with slides missing in the "Find a reason to invade Iraq" section.

http://gizmodo.com/5426338/re-re-re-re-re-re-re-iraq-22-million-lost-bush-white-house-emails-recovered

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@Lash,

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...and she's not even competent enough to do that. LETS MAKE HER PRESIDENT!!!

Nah, let's just bitch and moan about her while she becomes president, during her term(s) as president and right on until we just bitter ourselves into bitter nirvana. That sounds like a plan.

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@snood,

...because you never complained about a president.

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@Lash,

Ooh! Good answer! What a Bern! Get it?

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@snood,

The Republicans now plan to ask the FBI to investigate Hillary's testimony in hopes of finally prosecuting Hillary for anything. It's too bad Congress can't prosecute someone because they just pure hate them. Maybe then we could stop all this crap, of course then we will be ignoring the rule of law and will no longer will be the America we want to think we are.

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@Blickers,

You mean, when you forward an email, it's just gone? Maybe she should have been using yahoo. I forward something, I also still have it. Kind of like sending a fax. Is this what you are saying?

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@glitterbag,

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@revelette2,

It will never end, regardless of the evidence.

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@glitterbag,

We all understand how the republicans work in congress. Look at how they tried to repeal Obamacare. They not only beat it to death, they rekill it over and over and over.....

revelette has it spot on: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/groundhog-day-republicans-vote-repeal-obamacare

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@Lash,

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Hillary Clinton defied the Freedom of Information Act.

WTF? Do you even know what the FOIA is?
The FOIA requres government agencies to respond to requests and has civil sanctions of the agency if it fails to do so. The last time I checked Clinton is not a government agency nor is a civil sanction a criminal offense.

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@roger,

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You mean, when you forward an email, it's just gone? Maybe she should have been using yahoo. I forward something, I also still have it.

I think she received the information via Email, then forwarded it onto someone who uses the government's server. The government's Email system automatically records an Email, incoming or outgoing. At that time, according to Hillary's understanding, you could use a private Email system for government work as long as copy was made of the Email. When Hillary sent the Email along to somebody in the government who used the government's Email system, the government's Email system automatically made a copy. So Hillary thought she was complying with the law. With the copy already made by the government's Email system, Hillary might have deleted some government Emails while she was still Sec'y of State.

When the State Dep't asked her for all government Emails, she turned over the ones that were still on her hard drive. Others that she sent were already on the government's Email server once she sent them to other government people then kept popping up on the government's server.

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So now the State department's internal revue of the email issue will resume.

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State Department spokesman John Kirby said the internal review would resume now that it was clear the Justice Department would not be pursuing criminal charges against Hillary Clinton.

The Democratic presidential hopeful has been facing harsh scrutiny over her use of a private email account and server while serving as secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.

The State Department launched a probe into the emails in January after stating that 22 messages sent from Clinton's private server were "top secret." The review was put on hold in April, however, so as not to interfere with an FBI inquiry to determine whether she had broken the law. That investigation ended this week, with the Justice Department announcing it would accept the FBI's recommendation not to prosecute Clinton.

"Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," Kirby said.

"We will aim to be as expeditious as possible, but we will not put artificial deadlines on the process," he added. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

Is this simply posturing, now?
Does the state have the means to prosecute anything?

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@Builder,

The State Department is not a part of the Justice Department, so no, as State, They can't indict or prosecute . The IG can request an investigation by the FBI, so maybe your fondest wishes will come true in time.

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@glitterbag,

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...so maybe your fondest wishes will come true in time.

I won't be holding my breath; and besides, would it really make any difference in the long run?

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@maporsche,

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Perjury requires that the person is proven to lie on purpose. Remembering facts inaccurately is not perjury. You'd be asking a jury to convict a women in her 60's who needed to remember 0.02% of her emails from 3-7 years ago who may not have known the material was classified.

You're kidding , right? Of course she knew the truth and she decided to lie, as she usually does. If she can not remember reading "Classified information", how can you trust her judgement as CIC?

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