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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
RABEL222
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 05:37 pm
@Lash,
You are a true conservative. Its not enough to parrot what a great guy Bernie is you have to throw shyt at Hillery with unproven innuendo by people trying to sell books.
RABEL222
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 05:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
How in the hell do you build a relationship with someone who tells you no when you ask them if its ok for you to breath. I dont lie but the same cant be said of you. You have been pinned to lying more that a flock of butter flies.
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 05:42 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

How in the hell do you build a relationship with someone who tells you no when you ask them if its ok for you to breath.


Go have a talk with Bill. As he pointed out a few months back after listening to Obama and his people whine one too many times he got things done with Congress in a situation as bad or worse than what Obama has had, so Obama is part of the problem. And claims that the situation is impossible is in fact a lie.

EDIT: this story was largely ignored by the major press as is to be expected.

Quote:
But there is a counter view being offered by a former Democratic president that as far as personal attacks go, he, Bill Clinton, had it worse. “Nobody’s accused him of murder yet, as far as I know. I mean, it was pretty rough back then,” Mr. Clinton said last month in an interview aired by PBS, when asked about the partisan climate facing Mr. Obama.

Whatever Mr. Clinton’s motivations, his comments, which his former aides frequently refer to when the topic comes up, do not permit Mr. Obama to excuse his legislative setbacks by simply citing hyper-partisanship. As one former White House aide to Mr. Clinton put it: “They impeached our guy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/25/us/politics/toxic-partisanship-bill-clinton-says-he-had-it-worse-than-obama.html?_r=0
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 05:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
“Every place in the world people take the time to work together, good things are happening,” Mr. Clinton said this week at a campaign stop in Hazard, Ky., for the Democratic Senate candidate Alison Lundergan Grimes. “Every place in the world where people spend all their time fighting each other and telling everybody how sorry they are, bad things happen.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/25/us/politics/toxic-partisanship-bill-clinton-says-he-had-it-worse-than-obama.html?_r=0
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Lash
 
  1  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 06:44 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-keystone-xl-pipeline_55b79efae4b0a13f9d1a358d?
Linked from a feeder Huffpost page that has COP OUT in enormous font.
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Lash
 
  1  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 06:52 pm
I hope she goes to prison for this.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/28/the-missing-hillary-emails-no-one-can-explain.html?via=twitter_page
engineer
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 06:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Go have a talk with Bill. As he pointed out a few months back after listening to Obama and his people whine one too many times he got things done with Congress in a situation as bad or worse than what Obama has had, so Obama is part of the problem. And claims that the situation is impossible is in fact a lie.

Only if you believe it. Clinton inherited an economy that had slightly slowed but was otherwise in extremely good shape. He took office with a mandate to get healthcare implemented and failed miserably. The reality is he was in a situation where if he blunted the worst of the Republicans' excesses, the country would do fine. I like Clinton, thought he did a good job and I agree that he faced some real headwinds, but his comments are pretty self serving given that he has few lasting accomplishments outside of a good economy and a successful carpet bombing of a small, Eastern European country. I also disagree about his Congressional remarks. The Gingrich House was much more interested in governing than the Boehner House has been and Congress is much more radicalized than it ever was under Clinton. The reality is that Clinton could have/should have done everything Obama has done - healthcare, Iran, Cuba, gay rights - and he missed. He should be cheering Obama on instead of whining that he had it hard. If anything, what Obama has done has shown just how much Clinton didn't do.
nydia2013
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
@nydia2013,
Quote:
African Americans (with a 98% turnout)


when you get the facts wrong it is not likely that people are going to listen to the rest of what you have to say.

IN the 08 election 92.9% of registered blacks voted, and 89.4% of whites did.

https://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/p20-562.pdf

Table 2

Methinks you dont make an effort to document your alleged facts because you dont have enough knowledge to know the facts.


Hawkeye, I did not bother to look up the exact number of black voter turnout because by all accounts it was the highest ever for a presidential candidate, and outpaced the white vote. As far as I was concerned I could have said 100% turnout and the result would have been the same in my mind. Look, 96% or 98% amounts to the same thing in my opinion. What it showed was the gathering of so many African Americans turning out, wow! Forgive me if I do not quibble over 2% plus!
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:08 pm
@nydia2013,
Quote:
I did not bother to look up the exact number of black voter turnout because

you are fine with making **** up if it sounds good. Got it.

Quote:
Forgive me if I do not quibble over 2% plus!

I dont easily forgive lying to try to win a point. And now that I know that this is what you do I will consider anything you say accordingly.
nydia2013
 
  1  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye, do you really think I give a sh*t what you think? Get lost already! Gads, you're a bore!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nydia2013
 
  1  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:32 pm
@Lash,
Hey lady, you have failed to convince me to look at Hillary from a negative standpoint. Hillary has enough people pouncing on her because she does not dance to their tune. I am for Hillary, case closed!
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:33 pm
@Lash,
you want to be careful when you're using sources barely on a par with a tabloid
nydia2013
 
  1  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:37 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:

Bernie is a communist you know. He will probably be impeached by the republican congress.



Not true. Extreme socialism is "communism." Bernie Sanders is merely a socialist which really doesn't have too much of a place in today's capitalist America.
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snood
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:39 pm
@Lash,

See, that's the kind of statement that makes me think you are not weighing things rationally vis-a-vis Hillary. What macabre and heinous things, in your view, might Clinton be hiding in your worst case scenario?
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:48 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
Clinton could have/should have done everything Obama has done - healthcare, Iran, Cuba, gay rights

Like Clintons end of welfare as we know it and deregulation of the financial sector Obama's healthcare work is actually negative work. We are worse off because of it. Iran might or might not get done and it might or might not be a good thing. Cuba is irrelevant and gay rights had almost nothing to do with Obama. In any case I think it highly unlikely that the Historians will judge Obama's judgement and quality of work above Clintons, though clinton was not all that great.
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nydia2013
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:51 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Its not enough to parrot what a great guy Bernie is you have to throw shyt at Hillery with unproven innuendo by people trying to sell books.


It's not merely scandal sheet articles that tarnish people's reputations, but this is the core of the Republicans' modus operandi for slicing and dicing opponents they fear.
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Lash
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:51 pm
@snood,
I think she was doing fund-raising for "the Clinton library" otherwise known as the Clinton Retirement Package. A person in the seat of power in US government with no scruples could sell anything - secrets, government contracts, very significant favors.

Her personal assistant got special clearance to double as a worker for funding the library while working as Clinton's WH staff. So convenient.

Here's one opinion:
MR is Mitt Romney
HH is Hugh Hewitt, a reporter

edit to include missed dialogue:

HH: Governor Romney, I know you’ve had a chance to read, I assume you’ve had a chance to read the Jo Becker/Mike McIntire New York Times piece today about the cash flowing into the Clinton Foundation from the Russians as they got control of Uranium One. What’s your reaction to this story?

MR: You know, I’ve got to tell you, I was stunned by it. I mean, it looks like bribery. I mean, there is every appearance that Hillary Clinton was bribed to grease the sale of, what, 20% of America’s uranium production to Russia, and then it was covered up by lying about a meeting at her home with the principals, and by erasing emails. And you know, I presume we might know for sure whether there was or was not bribery if she hadn’t wiped out thousands of emails. But this is a very, very serious series of facts, and it looks like bribery.

HH: I just asked Senator Lindsey Graham last hour if they would hold hearings into the donors to the Clinton Family Foundation, because if the Russians can give them that much money, is it possible the Iranians have as well, Governor Romney?

MR: Well, we don’t know who gave money, and the IRS apparently is making it known that the filings of the Clinton Foundation did not include the fact that foreign governments were making contributions. And they had misstated their filings over the past several years. This is obviously a very troubling setting. But even what we do know, based on what was written by the New York Times, and is being reported by Fox and others, it has every earmark of bribery. And this is from the office of Secretary of State. This is a very troubling set of facts, and clearly, there’s got to be some kind of investigation to find out what the truth is here, because around the world, people are going to look at Hillary Clinton, a potential candidate for president, a former Secretary of State, and say gosh, is this a person who could be trusted? And I think the American people are asking that question as well.

HH: Now Governor Romney, Brian Fallon, a spokesperson for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign, said, “No one has produced a shred of evidence supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as Secretary of State to support the interests of donors to the Clinton Foundation. To suggest the State Department under then-Secretary Clinton exerted undue influence in the U.S. government’s review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless.” Is that a sufficient response?

MR: Well, it’s blah, blah, blah. The story that came from the New York Times is pretty straightforward, which is that millions upon millions of dollars were given to the Clinton Foundation at the same time by a group of people who had uranium assets, and shortly thereafter, these people came to the State Department for approval to be able to sell these assets to Russia for a huge price tag. And those are the facts. And if those things are connected, as they certainly seem to be, it’s a form of bribery. And that’s what it appears to be, and that is of course what’s going to have to be delved into, and I’m afraid this is a, this is bigger than just her presidential campaign. I mean, this is a question about whether or not the United States Secretary of State was bribed to grease the sale of strategic assets to Russia.
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Lash
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:59 pm
This may be another idea.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/parsing-clinton-what-is-she-hiding-20150727
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Lessons in the Clinton-speak that enrages most people.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 08:01 pm
I also think there may have been some correspondences that show she bungled Benghazi strewn among her treason.
Lash
 
  0  
Tue 28 Jul, 2015 08:11 pm
@ehBeth,
My previous comment was incorrect. I wrote a bit of a disclaimer about the Linda Tripp story. Not fronting that one as accurate, but wondering how the perception will stick.
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