When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@bobsal u1553115,

Funny thing is.... The Panama US trade agreement didn't go into effect until 2012. The Panama papers are from 1977 to 2013. So the majority of them occur before the Panama Agreement. I hardly think anyone could argue it made money laundering and tax evasion easier.

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@Olivier5,

No Olivier5, it says to me that people don't know he's an atheist.

I'm an active atheist, and I didn't know Sanders lack of religiousness, which means that it hasn't been made an issue yet (which makes sense during the democratic primaries).

He hasn't been challenged on this and while democratic primary contest have either overlooked it or simply don't know it, the Republicans will make a huge issue out of it during a general election.

Picture the attack ads: "Ask yourself if you want a godless socialist leading the greatest country on earth."

Now, if love it, but that **** won't play well for most of the country. I'm telling you, people don't know that side of Sanders right now. They will.

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@Olivier5,

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I would have a strong desire for a true, and honest, atheist president. Sanders may be an atheist, but he's not being honest about it. Straight up said he believes in god.

As you said it yourself, he would not be electable if he was going around chanting he does not believe in the god of the bible. So you would prefer an unelectable atheist president to an electable one.

Some nitpickers!

I know before I type this that I shouldn't be wasting my time.

I want an atheist president. I want an atheist president that says he doesn't believe in God when asked. America is not ready for that; I wish it was.

I will not give Sanders credit for being an Atheist. I'll give him credit for doing what it takes to try to win an election.

He's not the first president to not have strongly held religious beliefs. I don't think Obama has strong religious beliefs. I don't think Clinton does. Trump doesn't.

What I can't wait for is when a president can say "No, I don't believe in God." And not have to talk about spirituality or humanism.

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@Olivier5,

I've said she's very smart.

You and I disagree about her influence with the GOP. They will love her hawkish responses, her heavy use of the military industrial complex, her disregard for the environment, and her chummy favors for big banks and big business.

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@maporsche,

He explained a spirituality that reminds me a lot of mine. It is about an intrinsic interconnectedness of spirits. I know people that take it a step further and assert that souls have a common origin and they never perish, they just relocate, like water...

There's a video where he explains his feeling on the subject.

I've known through listening to him that he doesn't espouse a traditional religion.

I adored his comments at Bob Jones University. I think a few people here, scouring for a lie are merely showing their bigotry and limited thinking by judging Bernie's closely-held beliefs by your narrow ideas of what beliefs are acceptable.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I think a few people here, scouring for a lie are merely showing their bigotry and limited thinking by judging Bernie's closely-held beliefs by your narrow ideas of what beliefs are acceptable.

Can you elaborate on this? I want to respond, but want to make sure I understand exactly what you're accusing me of.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Alright, you piked my interest. Will read more.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Lash wrote:

I think a few people here, scouring for a lie are merely showing their bigotry and limited thinking by judging Bernie's closely-held beliefs by your narrow ideas of what beliefs are acceptable.

Can you elaborate on this? I want to respond, but want to make sure I understand exactly what you're accusing me of.

You're over-thinking it, man! Just wake up and feel the Bern!

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@Lash,

Maporshe,

My last sentence should have read "their narrow ideas" rather than "your."

I'm not sure anyone here has outright accused Bernie of intentionally hiding his spiritual beliefs. I have so many people on ignore... Haha.

On the strength of his outrageously brave and open rally at Bob Jones and other videotaped discussions about his spirituality, someone would have to be an idiot not to see that he doesn't subscribe to a mainstream belief.

I won't be surprised when the GOP (or Hillary) start hitting him with this, but his followers already know. When his surrogates and supporters point to the fact that he's more "Christ-like" than anyone I've ever encountered in public life, it'll all shake out as it should.

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@maporsche,

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He's not the first president to not have strongly held religious beliefs. I don't think Obama has strong religious beliefs. I don't think Clinton does. Trump doesn't.

Trump doesn't give a rat's ass for religion but of course he will pretend to.

Clinton is a devout Methodist. Her faith is important to her.

Obama goes to church regularly. Baptist is it?

In contrast, Bernie does NOT go to the synagogue. He does NOT belong to any specific organized religion or denomination. Makes a big difference to me. He says: "I am not religious"; he says: "I am not into organised religion".

That is a clear and blunt message, to those who have ears. Of course, to the nitpickers and the spineless among us, it's never going to mean anything because it cannot be allowed to.

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@Lash,

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They will love her hawkish responses, her heavy use of the military industrial complex, her disregard for the environment, and her chummy favors for big banks and big business.

Maybe, although I doubt they can ever be satisfied. But I trust she'll make progress on the purely political front of undermining GOP's hold on congress.

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@Lash,

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I'm not sure anyone here has outright accused Bernie of intentionally hiding his spiritual beliefs.

I think he has so far been careful not to say the full extent of his mistrust of religion and his disbelief of the god of the bible. It's not an accusation though: I give him credit for not throwing his pearls to swines.

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Personally I don't care about a president's religious or non religious views other than I am not sure I would want a devout atheist or religionist as both seem determined to spread their views on others. Unless they are privately devout.

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New York Primary is set up to be very favorable to Clinton because it is closed and more diverse than Wisconsin. Clinton won 69% of the black vote in Wisconsin. I imagine Bernie is hitting New York hard from here until the 19th. But so is Clinton.

New York is a closed primary which means to participate in the Democratic primary voters must be a registered Democrat.

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DATE: Tuesday, April 19, 2016

POLLING HOURS: 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. Eastern

CANDIDATES IN THE RACE: Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

TYPE OF PRIMARY: New York is a closed primary which means to participate in the Democratic primary voters must be a registered Democrat.

DELEGATES AT STAKE: 247 delegates (awarded proportionally to results)

KEY ENDORSEMENTS: Clinton has received endorsements from The New York Times. Filmmaker Spike Lee has endorsed Sanders.

LATEST POLLS: According to RealClear Politics, Clinton leads Sanders by an average of 11 percentage points in the latest polls.

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@revelette2,

I don't want a 'preachy' atheist either. I want religion entirely OUT of politics in every way imaginable.

But, if asked "do you believe in god?" I'd just love to hear a candidate say "No." and have that somehow be enough.

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@maporsche,

If I was an atheist, I probably would too, but I am not. I am pretty traditional when it comes to religion. I just don't want it in government in any way either like yourself. In that way I guess I am not a traditionalist. Maybe to prove religion shouldn't have anything to do with government, if a candidate confessed he/she was an atheist and it was accepted, that would prove progress. But I think most people would be afraid an atheist would try to interfere with religion.

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@revelette2,

That's because so many people do not understand the Constitution. Ignorance is scary.

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@cicerone imposter,

Oh, I think they understand the constitution, it is just that there are ways around the constitution and emotions are hard things to govern.

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@revelette2,

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But I think most people would be afraid an atheist would try to interfere with religion.

I think you're right that people would fear that.

Which is partly why I'm surprised that people are saying that Sanders is an atheist (I heard this on a radio podcast this week too; a conservative guest commented on it and how "cultural Jew" is basically code for atheist). That can only hurt his campaign and it's honestly something new I learned about him just in the last couple days. It would have me worried.

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@maporsche,

Oh, well, I am not sure just because a conservative host says being a cultural Jew is a code word for atheist makes it true that Bernie Sanders is an atheist. It could be he is just not really a devout Jew but he could still believe in God which is not a bad thing in itself.

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