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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 1 Apr, 2016 03:26 pm
Superdelegates Are One Reason Why the Way We Choose Our Presidential Candidates Is Wrong

Superdelegates symbolize something that has to go: the entrenched, inside-the-Beltway embrace of power and influence by the Democratic illuminati that does little for the poor and middle class.
By Michael Winship / Moyers and Company
April 1, 2016

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/superdelegates-are-one-reason-why-way-we-choose-our-presidential-candidates-wrong

Last week, our suggestion that Hillary Clinton call for the resignations of her pals Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz got a big response. But a few people misunderstood what we were saying.

Some thought Bill Moyers and I were calling for Clinton herself to step aside (we weren’t). Others thought we somehow believed Clinton actually had the power to fire Emanuel (of course she doesn’t). Wasserman Schultz is a different story; the demand for her resignation as DNC chair grows by the day and Clinton doubtless will have a voice as to whether she stays or goes (on top of which, for the first time since she entered the House of Representatives, Wasserman Schultz’s Florida congressional seat is being challenged in a Democratic primary by attorney and former Bernie Sanders advisor Tim Canova).

Using the rhetorical suggestion that she and Rahm take a hike – each of them a symbol of the current tone-deaf and corporate-enslaved state of the Democratic Party — was a way of easing into the idea that the party’s elite is as clueless about the disillusionment of the party’s traditional base as the GOP establishment has been about Donald Trump’s ascent. At their peril, the muckety-mucks of both parties ignore the anger and resist the demand for change that have fueled not only Trump but the Bernie Sanders phenomenon as well, albeit the Sanders movement is as progressive as Trump’s is brutish.

One of the more troubling aspects of the Democrats and their nomination process is something we touched upon in last week’s piece: the 712 or so “superdelegates,” about 15 percent of the total (and 30 percent of the majority needed to win the nomination) who will cast ballots at the July convention in Philadelphia. They include President Obama and Vice President Biden, 239 Democratic members of the House and Senate, 21 sitting governors, 437 Democratic National Committeemen and women, and a category referred to as “distinguished party leaders” – former presidents and veeps, ex-congressional leaders and erstwhile presidential nominees.

These superdelegate VIPs are chosen not by the voters in this year’s primaries or caucuses but selected by the party solely for their status as members of the Democratic upper crust. As we wrote last week, Wasserman Schultz recently told CNN’s Jake Tapper that their appointment is necessary so entitled incumbents and party leaders don’t have to run for the position “against grassroots activists.”

(Just a few weeks later, though, in an interview with Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business News, Wasserman Schultz swung her logic ’round 180 degrees. The superdelegates exist, she now declared, “to make sure that party activists who want to be delegates to the convention don’t have to run against much better-known and well-established people at the district level.” So which is it? Neither really makes total sense.)

This whole superdelegate thing started back in 1984, when, after the devastating presidential defeat of George McGovern in 1972 and President Jimmy Carter’s landslide reelection loss to Ronald Reagan in 1980, it was determined that experienced party stalwarts should be made delegates to fend off fringe efforts to divert the mainstream. Of course, the introduction of the superdelegates that year didn’t keep Democratic presidential candidate Walter Mondale from being mauled by the congenial Reagan reelection juggernaut.

Nevertheless, the perceived wisdom has become that, “Lest those pesky Democratic grass-roots activists and loser-lover types be inclined to drive the party over a leftward-hanging cliff, the establishment is supposed to step in to ensure that we nominate the electable candidate.” Those are the words of Democratic establishment member Susan Estrich, who apparently coined the word “superdelegates” and opposed the idea back when she was supporting the presidential aspirations of Teddy Kennedy. Now that she’s part of the higher echelon, Estrich has reversed her position. “How time changes things,” she writes. You bet.

Technically, superdelegates are not officially bound to a candidate until that moment the first ballot roll call begins on the convention floor although the vast majority of them have announced their support for Hillary Clinton. (This is why up to now when tallies add up pledged delegates and superdelegates, Clinton seems to have such an unshakeable lead over Sanders.)

But as Susan Estrich would say, this can change. So it was in 2008 when superdelegates who had announced their support for Clinton changed their minds as Barack Obama notched up victory after victory. And theoretically, so it is this year as Bernie Sanders supporters, at the start virulently opposed to superdelegates as an obstacle to the will of the people, are now pursuing them as their candidate has achieved more success than anticipated.

(Sanders himself has described superdelegates as “problematic” and said they should vote for whichever candidate has carried their state’s primary or caucus, also noting, “I think I am a stronger candidate to defeat Trump than Secretary Clinton and I think many of the superdelegates understand that.”)

In truth, the existence of the superdelegates is rather like congressional filibuster rules or other arcane methods of manipulating the system – those they hurt are against, those they help are in favor – but when the roles are flipped, suddenly, those who were opposed find something to like in the rules as the shoe slips from one foot to the other.

But like so many of those rules, superdelegates symbolize something that has to go: the entrenched, inside-the-Beltway embrace of power and influence by the Democratic illuminati that does little for the poor and middle class and everything for the one percent that writes the big checks.

Just last week, Fredreka Schouten of USA Today wrote that through the end of February, “Fundraising in the presidential contest has zoomed past the $1 billion mark, fueled by the dozens of super-wealthy Americans bankrolling super PACs that have acted as shadow campaigns for White House contenders.”

And in late February, Jeff Naft at ABC News reported, “… When you remove elected officials from the superdelegate pool, at least one in seven of the rest are former or current lobbyists registered on the federal and state level, according to lobbying disclosure records. That’s at least 67 lobbyists who will attend the convention as superdelegates.” A majority of that 67 say they’re supporting Hillary Clinton.

Last summer, Wasserman Schultz’s Democratic National Committee lifted a ban on lobbyists making donations to cover the costs of convention-related events, a precursor to the DNC’s February rollback of Barack Obama’s ban on contributions to the party from political action committees and federal lobbyists.

Anyone who’s attended any of the recent Democratic Party national conventions can attest that amidst all the confetti, assorted hoopla and solemn testaments of democracy at work, there are outrageous displays of conspicuous consumption as law firms, lobbyists, consultants and their corporate clients manipulate the funding rules and compete to see who can create the swankiest, most excessive shindig. With the lifting of that lobbyist cash ban, Philadelphia could be bigger than ever.

It will be one giant blowout for sure, and a safe bet that the superdelegates will be whooping it up with many of their richest and most persuasive big wheel friends. No need to fight for your right to party, superdelegates. This is their gift to you. Just ignore the price tag attached.
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Lash
 
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Fri 1 Apr, 2016 03:50 pm
http://marshallreport.com/2016/03/28/sanders-is-about-to-have-the-biggest-political-upset-in-modern-us-history/

You may have a ringside seat for the biggest political upset in modern history and an overdue American revolution.
parados
 
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Fri 1 Apr, 2016 04:39 pm
@Lash,
I do love the people that put their emotion ahead of reality.

How dare the media not count states won instead of delegates? Sanders winning 5 states only put him farther behind Clinton when she won three states.

The simple fact of the matter is that Sanders has to win over 57% of the remaining regular delegates to have more than Hillary. He isn't going to do it. The chances are less than 1% of him doing it. If Hillary gets 55% or more of NY, Sanders has to win 60% of the remaining delegates. Sanders has yet to win a large primary state by 60% or more. Sanders has only won the primary in 4 states, NH, VT, and barely won OK and MI.
Lash
 
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Fri 1 Apr, 2016 04:43 pm
@parados,
Posh.
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snood
 
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Fri 1 Apr, 2016 05:23 pm
@parados,
But....revolution!! And .... Clinton indictment!!!! And.... Bernie's sexy!!!!
glitterbag
 
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Fri 1 Apr, 2016 05:30 pm
@snood,
Yeah, there is that!
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snood
 
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Sat 2 Apr, 2016 07:42 am
This is a Daily Koz story about how phony are the claims that Hillary is "in the pocket" of big oil. Well worth the read, and it's not that long. Here are Hillary's actual votes and actual views RE: big oil and coal vs. clean energy, but [please read the rest of the article, debunking The Berniebots feverish meme (I'm sure facts won't phase the most feverish):

Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases. (Aug 2000)
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy. (Mar 2004)
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances. (Feb 2005)
Require public notification when nuclear releases occur. (Mar 2006)
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007)
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025. (Jan 2007)
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards. (Jan 2008)
Gas tax holiday for the summer. (Apr 2008)
And let's unpack her positions on oil and gas:

We need a bridge from coal to natural gas to clean energy. (Mar 2016)
Half a billion solar panels in first 4 years. (Feb 2016)
Opposes Keystone, Withheld opinion at first. (Oct 2015)
Get tough with energy speculators and with OPEC cartel. (May 2008)
Gas tax holiday, paid for by windfall oil tax. (May 2008)
GovWatch: Gas tax holiday saves $8B; but that’s 64 cents/day. (May 2008)
Investigate gas price manipulation; add windfall profits tax. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, FTC is investigating gas price manipulation. (Apr 2008)
$650 for help with energy bills to those who can’t afford it. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Oil & gas giveaways stripped from final 2005 Bill. (Jan 2008)
Investigate & move toward energy efficiency and conservation. (Oct 2007)
Opposes Yucca Mountain; earthquake fault goes under it. (Sep 2007)
Invest in alternative energy; jobs that won’t be outsourced. (Aug 2007)
End Big Oil tax break; $50 billion for strategic energy fund. (Jul 2007)
Agnostic about nuclear power until waste & cost issue solved. (Jul 2007)
Energy Independence 2020: $50B for Strategic Energy Fund. (Jun 2007)
Extensive funding into alternative energy. (Jun 2007)
Will make big oil fund alternative energy research. (Feb 2007)
$50B strategic energy fund from taxing oil companies. (Oct 2006)
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us. (Jun 2006)
Need to move toward energy efficiency and conservation. (Jan 2006)
Supports oil reserve release & fund conservation. (Oct 2000)



http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/2/1509392/-Rachel-Maddow-Show-Analyzes-Bernie-s-Claim-That-HILLARY-Is-In-The-Pocket-Of-Big-Oil-It-s-FALSE
revelette2
 
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Sat 2 Apr, 2016 08:17 am
@snood,
True, and she definitely doesn't owe Bernie Sander's an apology. Sometimes I get so tired of being schooled by Sanders and his supporters. In fact, I think that more than anything made me turn to Hillary.
snood
 
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Sat 2 Apr, 2016 08:25 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

True, and she definitely doesn't owe Bernie Sander's an apology. Sometimes I get so tired of being schooled by Sanders and his supporters. In fact, I think that more than anything made me turn to Hillary.


Funny, I was just thinking something very similar. I have always felt like Bernie is a basically decent man, with good intentions. I still feel that way about him (that's subject to change if he keeps sniping at Hillary after he knows he can't get the nomination). It's the more virulent, tunnel-visioned and nasty of his followers that really turned me off from even listening to him anymore.

I haven't been missing anything, evidently, When I peek in on one of his cult "rallies", it's like a ******* broken record.
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revelette2
 
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Sat 2 Apr, 2016 12:05 pm
Quote:
Greenpeace has leveled two main attacks again Clinton: 1) that the Super PAC supporting her campaign, Priorities Action USA, has received more than $3 million in donations from those connected with the fossil fuel industry, and 2) that Clinton's campaign has taken $309,107 from "people working for fossil fuel companies."

The first criticism is particularly weak, because Clinton is legally prohibited from coordinating with the Super PAC. So there's not much she could do about the vast majority of the donations fueling Greenpeace's attack — even if she wanted to.

The second is a little trickier for Clinton to deflect, in part because she could theoretically have her campaign return all donations raised by those tied to oil or gas companies.

But this one doesn't really add up, either. For one, Sanders himself has accepted more than $50,000 from the same category of donors, according to MSNBC. There's no indication he plans to return that money.

"You could certainly try to set up a system where you routinely refund contributions from those tied to oil and gas," says Bob Biersack, a senior fellow at the Center for Responsive Politics. "You could do it, theoretically, but I can't think of an example of it ever being done."

How the critique of Clinton gets at a broader truth about campaign finance

Clinton's acceptance of gifts from individuals in these industries is standard practice for the vast majority of presidential candidates, Biersack said. Barack Obama, for instance, got more than $400,000 from oil and gas industry employees during his 2008 run, according to the Washington Post.

But from another perspective, this is exactly the point of Sanders's critique: that the standard practices in Washington, DC, are deeply corrupt.

"The definition of routine and acceptable might be changing," Biersack said. "It's an example of how the normal process works, but the normal process could be considered pretty flawed."

Months ago, Greenpeace asked Martin O'Malley, Sanders, and Clinton to refuse to accept "fossil fuel" money. Both O'Malley and Sanders signed the pledge, but Clinton didn't.

In one narrow sense, all that means is that Clinton wasn't willing to promise more than she could deliver. If signing the pledge meant refusing donations from everyone who worked in the industry, Sanders has violated it.


source

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RABEL222
 
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Sat 2 Apr, 2016 01:51 pm
@Olivier5,
It was a political move. He is jewish and skipping it just is him trying to show everyone that he isent controlled by AIPAC. And Israel. But if one checks he has voted with AIPAC more often than not.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 2 Apr, 2016 05:58 pm
@snood,
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Olivier5
 
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Sun 3 Apr, 2016 02:58 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

It was a political move. He is jewish and skipping it just is him trying to show everyone that he isent controlled by AIPAC. And Israel. But if one checks he has voted with AIPAC more often than not.

Of course it's political; what else could it be? A sportive exploit? An artistic feat? Everything that happens in an election campaign is political, and rightly so.

Now if you have more than open doors to slam, like if you have actual DATA about his alledged pro-AIPAC voting record, please share them...
revelette2
 
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Sun 3 Apr, 2016 06:19 am
At rallies, Hillary Clinton’s supporters are looking for logic, not passion
Lash
 
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Sun 3 Apr, 2016 06:26 am
@revelette2,
Wow. That really revealed a lot of lame, loserly, sad sack supporters.
revelette2
 
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Sun 3 Apr, 2016 06:31 am
@Lash,
No, she is the only grown up in the race with common sense solutions grounded in substance. She don't just scream out "revolution" in a crazy inane way, and grown ups understand and support her. More than they do Bernie as is evidenced by the fact she has way more votes than he does not to mention delegates.
Lash
 
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Sun 3 Apr, 2016 06:43 am
@revelette2,
So I guess, like most Hillary supporters, you now see the handwriting on the wall, and you're lashing out with illogical and untrue hyperbole against Bernie.

He doesn't just "yell out revolution." Bitterness is unattractive.

He's the most forthright, intelligent candidate, the most trusted candidate in the race, the only candidate with a positive favorability rating.

He'll be your next president.
Lash
 
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Sun 3 Apr, 2016 07:43 am
BTW, Bernie won Nevada...

http://www.inquisitr.com/2955774/bernie-sanders-wins-nevada-caucus-with-extra-delegates-at-county-convention-now-beating-hillary-clinton-in-state/

maporsche
 
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Sun 3 Apr, 2016 08:09 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
He'll be your next president.


He'll lose the primary.
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Lash
 
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Sun 3 Apr, 2016 09:04 am
Hillary Clinton, lying for thirteen minutes straight.

https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI
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