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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
Blickers
 
  2  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 09:51 am
@maporsche,
Hillary is over 700 votes ahead of Sanders, and needs under 700 votes to mathematically clinch the nomination. It would take a miracle for Sanders to win at this point.
McGentrix
 
  0  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 10:45 am
@Blickers,
Hillary has 1229 delegates and Bernie has 939 delegates. If I do my math right, that is only 290 delegate difference.

Of course the Democrats couldn't possibly run a fair race though.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 10:55 am
@McGentrix,
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker

Quote:
Clinton
H. Clinton
Details
IA NH NV SC AL AS AR CO DA GA MA MN OK TN TX VT VA KS LA NE ME MI MS MP FL IL MO NC OH AZ ID UT AK HI WA WI WY NY CT DE MD PA RI IN GU WV KY OR VI PR CA MT NJ NM ND SD DC
29 15 24 44 47 8 27 38 5 84 63 42 18 50 167 4 73 10 43 13 12 73 35 9 154 96 46 67 94 46 6 7 - 5 10 5 4 34 15 7 15 17 7 7 3 5 1 5 2 3 51 1 9 6 1 1 18
1,681



Sanders
B. Sanders
Details
IA NH NV SC AL AS AR CO DA GA MA MN OK TN TX VT VA KS LA NE ME MI MS MP FL IL MO NC OH AZ ID UT AK HI WA WI WY NY CT DE MD PA RI IN GU WV KY OR VI PR CA MT NJ NM ND SD DC
21 15 16 14 9 3 10 38 9 29 46 47 22 23 75 22 33 24 14 15 17 67 5 2 69 73 34 46 63 27 17 24 - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - 1 - - - 2 - 1 - 2
937

Read more: http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker#ixzz43kIKa6wJ


Quote:
Delegates Remaining: 2,147

2,383 DELEGATES NEEDED FOR NOMINATION



she needs ~ 700 more
he needs ~ 1400 more

there are enough o/s that it could end up as a tie, but something would have to change pretty dramatically in both of their campaigns for that to happen
McGentrix
 
  0  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 11:06 am
@ehBeth,
Your getting caught up in the Democratic cheating of "super-delegates".

http://www.cnn.com/specials/politics/2016-primaries-results

Clinton pledged: 1229
super: 482

Bernie Sanders pledged: 912
super: 27

Hillary has 1229 pledged delegates, not 1711. When you conflate the numbers like that it discourages people from voting. The media is complicit in this as well.
snood
 
  6  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 11:11 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Hillary has 1229 delegates and Bernie has 939 delegates. If I do my math right, that is only 290 delegate difference.

Of course the Democrats couldn't possibly run a fair race though.

Can't help but notice the irony that insinuations of voting malfeasance come from those who are members (except when you check them on it - then they all claim to be Libertarians) of the GOP, the party of widespread voter suppression.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 12:13 pm
Something Is Going Seriously Wrong at Arizona Polls Today
Nathan Wellman / US uncut


Arizona’s primaries aren’t even done yet, and there’s already legal action being taken as a result of incompetence or possibly even intentional sabotage.

Leaders from the Arizona branch of the Democratic Party have confirmed that its lawyers are officially making an inquiry after multiple Democratic voters showed up to the polls only to find that they were listed as independents, Republicans, or had no party affiliation at all.

Many voters wound up having to wait in line under the hot Arizona sun only to find that they were ineligible to vote for the candidates of their choice. To add insult to injury, the polling locations have been so poorly planned that many voters had to wait in line up to four hours before finding out that their information had been improperly filed.

Poll workers have been giving out “provisional ballots,” according to 12 News. It’s unclear at this time as to whether these ballots will actually count in the Arizona primary, and whether intentional or not, it could result in the disenfranchisement of Arizona voters. Some frustrated residents are taking to YouTube and social media to voice their frustrations.

full story here:
http://usuncut.com/news/arizona-polling-disaster/
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 12:14 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
When you conflate the numbers like that it discourages people from voting. The media is complicit in this as well.


We don't agree with much, but there is much truth and wisdom in that!
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 07:03 pm
@snood,
What I don't understand is why republicans tolerated these kinds on shenanigans. Why are they so quiet?
ossobuco
 
  2  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 07:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Meantime, GeorgeOB, whom I take as semi whakers but I quite like, hasn't posted for a while. I hope he is ok.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 07:41 pm
@ossobuco,
Me too! I really like georgeob. We met him in San Francisco, and talked about another gathering to which he agreed. I start a thread on it soon after I log off of this one.
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Blickers
 
  5  
Wed 23 Mar, 2016 08:26 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote McGentrix:
Quote:
Hillary has 1229 pledged delegates, not 1711. When you conflate the numbers like that it discourages people from voting.

What the heck do you care if Democrats are discouraged from voting? Your side is the one that is trying to keep them from getting to the polls in the first place, remember?
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revelette2
 
  2  
Thu 24 Mar, 2016 08:03 am
With all the talk of the problems in which Arizona faced, no one has mentioned the problems Idaho and Utah faced.

Quote:
Arizona

Arizona’s most populous county, home to Phoenix, cut its number of polling locations by 70 percent this year, so it was no surprise to see massive lines at the remaining polls during last night’s primary election. Some precincts ran out of ballots, while others saw some elderly voters give up and leave without voting.

Due to a history of racial voter suppression, this southwestern, Republican-controlled state was one of nine previous protected by the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was gutted by the Supreme Court in 2013. Following that ruling, the state tried to force residents to show a proof of citizenship in order to register to vote, but that policy was blocked by federal courts.

Today, the state makes it more difficult to vote through a strict voter ID law, which does not accept student IDs as valid proof of identification. Republican Gov. Doug Ducey also signed legislation in March making it a felony for any group or individual to collect mail-in ballots from residents and turn them in. The governor said the measure would prevent voter fraud and ballot tampering, though there is no documented evidence of either problem.

Native American communities in Arizona also face barriers to voting. In order to register or vote early, tribal members have to drive up to four hours to reach a county office. The “permanent address” requirement for registering and voting also disenfranchises lower income residents who move from town to town for work, and low literacy rates among tribal members prevents many from participating. And though the state’s ID law allows tribal identification cards to be used for voting, many tribes don’t provide such cards to their members.

In past elections, the state has had one of the highest rates in the nation of rejected provisional ballots, causing the votes of tens of thousands of people to be thrown out in 2012 due to small errors like voting in the wrong precinct or forgetting to sign a ballot.

Like many states across the country, Arizona is also depending on aging voting machines whose glitches can lead to errors and exacerbate long lines at the polls.

Arizona has made its elections more accessible, however, by expanding in-person early voting and allowing residents to mail in their ballots before and on election day. This year, more than 1 million people cast a ballot early. The 60,000 people who voted early for Sen. Marco Rubio, who just dropped out of the 2016 race, may be disappointed that their ballot did not count.

Idaho

Tuesday’s Democratic caucus in Idaho attempted to deal with record turnout by allowing participants to check in online and by not requiring a proof of ID or address. Yet as ThinkProgress has extensively documented, the caucus process prevents many eligible voters from participating.

Unlike a primary, in which voters have all day, and often several days in advance to cast a ballot, caucuses require all residents to be present at a specific time on a specific day — in this case, 7 p.m. Mountain Time. Those who have to work, take care of children, or can’t make it to the caucus site due to an illness or disability are shut out of the process.

The state also disenfranchises people who have completed felony sentences but are still on parole or probation, a practice that several states have moved to eliminate because it disproportionately suppresses the votes of people of color. Nationally, nearly 6 million Americans, the vast majority of them black or Latino, are barred from voting due to a current of previous felony conviction.

Utah

This year, the Utah Republican Party sought to boost its voter turnout by allowing registered voters to cast their ballots online for the first time in the state’s history. Party officials say their new method is aimed at helping families, workers, missionaries, and those employed by the military participate in the voting process if they are unable to do so in person.

But the experiment did not go smoothly last night. Voters reported technical difficulties with Utah’s system, including delays in receiving their promised PIN numbers, and repeated error messages. The state GOP said a full quarter of those who attempted to vote were rejected because their ID couldn’t be verified.

State residents also expressed concern about the potential for hacking, noting that past online voting tests in other states revealed serious security flaws. Mark Thomas, Utah’s director of elections, noted that even false claims of hacking could throw results into question, potentially undermining the legitimacy of the system.

Democrats in the state were not afforded the online option, meaning those who could not appear in-person were disenfranchised. The Democratic Party’s website also crashed on election day due to high traffic.

American Samoa

Republicans in the U.S. territory of American Samoa also held a caucus on Tuesday night, sending one delegate each to Trump and Cruz. Residents of the island are not full U.S. citizens, unless they have U.S. citizen parents, and most cannot vote in the general election. They are represented in Congress by a delegate who has no vote, even on policies that impact the population.

A petition currently before the Supreme Court is attempting to extend birthright citizenship to Samoans. Five plaintiffs in Tuaua v. United States recently filed suit against the federal government, claiming that the current law, which bars them from voting for president but allows them to serve in the military, violates their constitutional rights. That law stems from a Supreme Court ruling dating back more than 100 years, which held that residents of U.S. territories are not entitled to the same privileges as other Americans because they belong to a “savage,” “uncivilized,” and “alien race.”


source


McGentrix
 
  0  
Thu 24 Mar, 2016 08:07 am
Bill comes out swinging for the fences against Obama. Isn't Hillary running as the third term of the Obama presidency?

revelette2
 
  3  
Thu 24 Mar, 2016 08:18 am
@McGentrix,
This has already been discussed, Bill Clinton was referring to the last eight years of GOP obstruction.

Quote:
A Bill Clinton aide later clarified that the former President was "referring to the GOP's obstructionism and not President Obama's legacy."


source

Quote:
Angel Urena, Bill Clinton's spokesman, did not directly explain what the former President meant by the "awful legacy of the last eight years," but reiterated that Bill Clinton thinks "President Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves for setting us back on course for economic prosperity."

"When Republicans controlled the White House, their trickle-down approach drove our economy to the brink of a collapse," Urena said. "After President Obama was elected, Republicans made it their number one goal to block him at every turn. That unprecedented obstruction these last eight years is their legacy, and the American people should reject it by electing Hillary Clinton to build on President Obama's success so we can all grow and succeed together."
Blickers
 
  2  
Thu 24 Mar, 2016 08:29 am
@revelette2,
Obama and Bill Clinton long ago patched up their differences, Bill had a hard time coming around to Obama after he defeated Hillary for the nomination. Hillary didn't have much trouble doing it, but Bill did. That was seven or eight years ago.

Clearly Bill meant the obstructionism, he and Obama have been fine for years.
revelette2
 
  1  
Thu 24 Mar, 2016 08:47 am
@Blickers,
I thought he came around in 2012 at the convention, he gave a pretty good speech praising Obama.

Transcript of Bill Clinton’s Speech to the Democratic National Convention
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maporsche
 
  3  
Thu 24 Mar, 2016 08:53 am
@revelette2,
Waiting in line for several hours in Arizona is a terrible threat to democracy!!!

Waiting for several hours to caucus in Idaho and Utah is pure and how voting should be!!


Strange that (some) people are really pissed about that Arizona thing but not so pissed about how caucus' work (and how much that correlates with Sanders victories and losses).
snood
 
  3  
Thu 24 Mar, 2016 10:43 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Waiting in line for several hours in Arizona is a terrible threat to democracy!!!

Waiting for several hours to caucus in Idaho and Utah is pure and how voting should be!!


Strange that (some) people are really pissed about that Arizona thing but not so pissed about how caucus' work (and how much that correlates with Sanders victories and losses).



And don't forget how the Bernie 'purists' so easily excused the malfeasance Bernie staffers did with Hillary voter information. Basically said "oh well, they got fired", and went on to the next complaint about unfairness done to them.
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Thu 24 Mar, 2016 11:44 am
@revelette2,
You mean that is what he back pedaled to say. What Republican obstructionism was there in the "7 years prior"?

No, he was talking about Obama. Bill has always let his tongue get the better of him. Just ask Monica.
Blickers
 
  1  
Thu 24 Mar, 2016 12:14 pm
@McGentrix,
There was Republican obstructionism during Obama's term. The only remark Bill Clinton made about the time before Obama's term can be found on the video on the 0:48 mark, where he said:
"...and the seven years before that when we were practicing trickle down economics and no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash..."
 

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