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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 01:53 am
@Blickers,
The war in Vietnam ended under Nixon's watch and he began rapprochement with China. He may have been a criminal but he was better than a lot of other Republican presidents.
snood
 
  5  
Sun 20 Mar, 2016 06:00 am
@kedoc,
kedoc wrote:

Quote:
She's been cleared by several investigations,


It comes down to her word and the word of those families. I believe the families. You can say she is cleared if it makes you feel better.


It comes down to an 11 hour interrogation at the hands of all our favorite rightwing congressional **** stirrers, which netted positively squat. You're jerking yourself off with this accusation by insinuation crap.
Setanta
 
  5  
Sun 20 Mar, 2016 06:25 am
@izzythepush,
That is utter fantasy. The Vietnam War ended (for Americans) in 1975, after Nixon had already resigned. That was, of course, after his Vice President and the Attorney General had resigned, both of them facing prosecution. The trip to China was in 1971, and was no more than grandstanding. It certainly did nothing for the economy, which was in the toilet. Nixon put price controls on meat, fish, dairy products and a select list of other commodities. That lasted until Congress got off their collective dead ass and pointed out that he had no authority to do that. In late 1973, with the Watergate hearings in the Senate reaching three ring circus status, the OPEC oil embargo dealt a body blow to an economy which was already reeling. The Saturday Night Massacre, when he fired Archibald Cox, the Watergate special prosecutor (something else he had no authority to do), just added fuel to the fire. As Republican presidents go, he was the biggest disaster since Warren Harding. Were you even alive then? Nixon got off pretty lightly for his abuses and usurpations of power.
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Blickers
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 06:29 am
@izzythepush,
Yes, he finally ended a much bloodier war than Iraq or Afghanistan, took him long enough. But his criminality was about stifling dissent. If Nixon had just taken payoffs like his Vice President, Spiro Agnew did-Agnew received a suitcase full of money for highway construction kickbacks from his days as Maryland governor in his White House office-we might shrug it off as a personal failing to be balanced against whatever good things might have been accomplished on his watch.

But Nixon was about putting dissenters in jail. He had a White House enemies list to use various levels of government to "screw"-Nixon's word-certain people he did not like. Among these were antiwar activist Jane Fonda, but also Joe Namath of the New York Jets, who wasn't politically active at all but had sort of a counterculture lifestyle for a football player. One person on the list, an educational spokesman who opposed some aspect of Nixon's education plan, wrote to the New York Times that he was surprised he was on the list because even though he opposed one aspect of Nixon's plan, he actually voted for Nixon in the previous election. And Nixon had this guy on the "screw him" list.

Nixon really was a tinpot dictator, the country would have been in much safer hands if he simply was crooked.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 06:34 am
@Blickers,
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a member of his fan club. I do think Dubya was far far worse.
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revelette2
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 06:56 am
@Blickers,
Your post reminded me of Richard Nixon going after John Lennon.

Quote:
In December 1971, John Lennon sang at an Ann Arbor, Mich., concert calling for the release of a man who had been given 10 years in prison for possessing two marijuana cigarettes. The song he wrote for the occasion, “John Sinclair,” was remarkably effective. Within days, the Michigan Supreme Court ordered Mr. Sinclair released.

What Lennon did not know at the time was that there were F.B.I. informants in the audience taking notes on everything from the attendance (15,000) to the artistic merits of his new song. (“Lacking Lennon’s usual standards,” his F.B.I. file reports, and “Yoko can’t even remain on key.”) The government spied on Lennon for the next 12 months, and tried to have him deported to England.

This improbable surveillance campaign is the subject of a new documentary, “The U.S. vs. John Lennon.” The film makes two important points about domestic surveillance, one well-known, the other quite surprising. With the nation in the midst of a new domestic spying debate, the story is a cautionary tale.

It focuses on the late 1960’s and early 1970’s, when the former Beatle used his considerable fame and charisma to oppose the Vietnam War. Lennon attracted worldwide attention in 1969 when he and Yoko Ono married and held their much-publicized “bed-ins” in Amsterdam and Montreal, giving interviews about peace from under their honeymoon sheets. Lennon put to music a simple catch phrase — “All we are saying is give peace a chance” — and the antiwar movement had its anthem. Two years later, he released “Imagine.”

The government responded with an extensive surveillance program. Lennon’s F.B.I. files — which are collected in the book “Gimme Some Truth” by Jon Wiener — reveal that the bureau was monitoring everything from his appearance on “The Mike Douglas Show” to far more personal matters, like the whereabouts of Ono’s daughter from a previous marriage.

The F.B.I.’s surveillance of Lennon is a reminder of how easily domestic spying can become unmoored from any legitimate law enforcement purpose. What is more surprising, and ultimately more unsettling, is the degree to which the surveillance turns out to have been intertwined with electoral politics. At the time of the John Sinclair rally, there was talk that Lennon would join a national concert tour aimed at encouraging young people to get involved in politics — and at defeating President Nixon, who was running for re-election. There were plans to end the tour with a huge rally at the Republican National Convention.

The F.B.I.’s timing is noteworthy. Lennon had been involved in high-profile antiwar activities going back to 1969, but the bureau did not formally open its investigation until January 1972 — the year of Nixon’s re-election campaign. In March, just as the presidential campaign was heating up, the Immigration and Naturalization Service refused to renew Lennon’s visa, and began deportation proceedings. Nixon was re-elected in November, and a month later, the F.B.I. closed its investigation.


source
Blickers
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 07:09 am
@revelette2,
Thanks, revelette. When you say Nixon, I think of two things-the war he dragged on before finally ending, and this stifling of dissent by all governmental bodies.
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snood
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 01:18 pm
Hey moderators, is this kind of shyt okay?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 01:21 pm
@snood,
Where are the moderators?
snood
 
  1  
Sun 20 Mar, 2016 01:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Who knows. I'll just report it with the 'report' tab
snood
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 01:43 pm
Reported it.
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ossobuco
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 01:52 pm
@snood,
He or she is a serial spammer (and worse words)
Mods aren't here every single second.
I think a bunch of us have reported it but more can't hurt.
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kedoc
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 02:42 pm
@snood,
Quote:
It comes down to an 11 hour interrogation at the hands of all our favorite rightwing congressional **** stirrers, which netted positively squat. You're jerking yourself off with this accusation by insinuation crap.


So did OJs trial. If I remember he was cleared.

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kedoc
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 02:44 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
She's been cleared by several investigations,


So was OJ.
Lash
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 02:46 pm
@kedoc,
Touche!
Blickers
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 02:47 pm
@kedoc,
OJ was never cleared by any police investigation at all.
snood
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 02:50 pm
@Lash,
Good lord, Lash. OJ?
Blickers
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 02:59 pm
@snood,
"A drowning (wo)man will grasp at straws".
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 20 Mar, 2016 03:07 pm
@snood,
I'd been casting around in history, trying to find the perfect analogy for Hillary. Who'd've thought this nutty guy would find it for me.

Despite overwhelming evidence, a documented history of abuse - he got off. (At least that first time.)

He tried on the glove and rolled his eyes at the world because it seemed to be a bit tight (because legal wrangling by a BRILLIANT Johnny Cochran ensured he could wear protective gloves, KNOWING that would make the other gloves not fit...)

Nods. Hillary = the OJ of politics. Verily and yea.

She continually gets off on technicalities because her money either pays people off or affords her the best legal minds.

I'm only half kidding.
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Lash
 
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Sun 20 Mar, 2016 03:08 pm
@Blickers,
I'm backstroking with a pina colada balanced on my tummy.
 

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